Undependable people

[Sorefeet]

Well I just have to rant. I drew a bull tag last year in the bumping/nile GMU. I also drew a master hunter tag for a cow. Got in really good shape and did a fair amount of scouting. I also dropped 3 large on a wall tent and stove with all the bells and whistles. Blew my back out at work and tried to to hunt but could not get out of tent on opening day. Ten points, years waiting and cash all down the drain. Could not even go on the cow hunt due to back injury. Fast forward to this spring. I kept my attitude right and was glad that my backed improved to be able to go back to work. I was looking forward to the new season and and having enough points to probably get drawn in Montana this year

My hunting "buddy" of the last few years who was supposed to be the group leader for our Montana hunt did not take care of the application. I called a couple of weeks back and he stated that he would take care of it. I was arranging the lodging and boat needed to hunt Fort Peck. He also stated that we had until the rest of the month. THE ONE TIME I TRUST SOMEONE ON THIS IT GETS SCREWED UP. This is the same guy that did not offer to help pay for any of the new camp gear. I would have said no but an offer would have been great!!! I also had to wait until January to get food money from last year's deer hunt. Both of us make good money and the amount was minimal but it is the damm principle of it!!!!

I always look and verify dates etcc. and have now missed the deadline. This was the last time I will be able to hunt with my son before he goes to college the following year. It is my own fault for not checking. I was busy with work and other family issues and thought I could trust someone once to do this.

I am always the guy that reminds others of the tags in this state and always does the shopping and ponies up the cash for tents etc.. I am BLEEPING done depending on other people. I have dealt with cheap ass people, liars, heavy drinkers, shooting around camp, people who just want to show up and not help with camp and expenses. I quit hunting with a lot of people including family due those reasons. I am done hunting with anyone else but my son. He is a great kid that is turning into a great man. Looking forward to just me and my son this year. Anyone else have nightmare hunting "buddy" stories?

[trophyhunt]

Sucks, I never rely on anyone but me when it comes to putting in for permits here or in other states.

[grundy53]

Ya, it seams like I'm the one who has to do all of the planning and logistics for my deer hunting trips. Front most of the money and then put up with people that don't want to hunt hard. This year I said screw it and decided to bow hunt for deer by myself.

[shedcrazy]

Wow, sorry about the missed hunt.

[whacker1]

Positive note is that Montana changed their system and it is likely that ehy will not sell all of their tags this year due to the increased cost, economy, wolf predation, etc....Since it is a new system, if they sell over the counter as they have done in the past the tags that go unsold you will be able to track down the information, and if available, Just you and your son can buy in and go.

Or go to Idaho over the counter....just the two of you.

I understand your frustration, but better to figure it out now than find out when you really need their help.

[6x6in6]

I have not had similar issues that you have gone through.  But I would be just as PO'd as you are.
I guess I'm lucky.  Have had the same 2 hunting partners for going on 30 years.  Each of us have our states that we are responsible for.  These responsibilities include draw dates, party leader, application submits, on-line draw result chasing, etc, etc..  In 30 years of doing it this way, we have never missed an application period.  Call it lucky, I guess, but it has worked for us.
We have had people in our group come and go.  They wanted to be "involved" in the process.  We said no, just write a check and call it day and hang around and wait.  Some like that.  Some didn't.

[Sorefeet]

Thanks for the repsonses and I a do know that they have left over tags in April for Montana. I will do a plan "B" hunt either there or here in WA. I just had a roaring case of Mangina that I had to get out.


There are people with a lot worse problems then I but I just had to vent a little. When I get our of the city and get the tent up I will think of the imortal words from Cool hand Luke "My minds right boss"

Happy hunting

[fair-chase]

Sorry to hear that. Weeding out the bad apples is always frustrating. Mostly because something is always on the line when they show their true colors. I know the feeling and all I can say is keep a positive attitude. There are good, honest, trustworthy people out there however few and far between they seem.

[jstone]

Great Subject.. I am the one who makes all of the plans every year. Got to tell them when the special permits are due, usually have to drive. Not this year. Get tn old. Same with me, Hope just me and the boy? He has a girl friend so maybe just me. My buddies had the peaches archery 2 years ago, offered my help ended up doing all of the scouting, getting the maps. Got some meat out of it but that's it. No thanks for all that.. Maybe asking for to much. sometimes don't even get offered FUEL MONEY

[Skillet]

I've found these people are the same that will go "geez, what's your problem?" when you finally get mad enough to cut them off...

[buckhorn2]

Good hunting partners are very special and sometimes hard to find better to have someone you can rely on like your son if you don;t have that special partner.

[rasbo]

I have got to where its hard to rely on most my buddies.I have got to the point I plan on me and me alone.But I have met some great guys on here that have always come through and love to get out..sucks about your back...hope it all comes together for a great hunt

[Skyvalhunter]

Sorry to hear that your buddy didnt come thru for you but it sounds like you were more committed than he was. I have always wanted to do that Fort Peck reservoir area hunt. Too bad you ended up taking it in the hiney on this one.

[257 Wby Mag]

Good hunting partners are very special and sometimes hard to find better to have someone you can rely on like your son if you don;t have that special partner.

Yes they are buckhorn!! I've been phucked too many times. Good pards are very few and far between..

[YoterHunter]

sorry to hear. ihad a good buddy that i went to school with. we huted together for years . one opening morening we were supose to meet in Edamclaw.waited for one hour no show .never seen or herd from him in over 2 years. i learnd threw years. of being mister nice guy the h--ll with them ive hunted fished by my self for years until my boys got big enuff to go along. my rulehas been for years .i will wait 15 minutes if your not there im gone with out you.

[steen]

Don't feel bad I have to remind my husband to do his hunter's report so we save the $10.00.  I've said it to him 3-4 times but I bet we are paying the extra $10.00 "again" this year for his licenses.  If I didn't say the permit draws need to be done they wouldn't be either.  Some people are just that way unfortunetly.

[huntnnw]

well it boils down to.. your fault..if it was that important for you to hunt MT and enough to get on here and vent YOU shoulda done it! March 15th always for MT. The camp crap..I would never offer for camp gear!! thats either yours or someone elses..it doesnt work to share. I hate these post...wish we could hear the otherside...this really doesnt have anything to do with a bad hunting buddy

[bucklucky]

If you got a doctors note stating you were injured and unable to hunt you may get your points back. Has to be a signed doctors not. I know a guy that was real sick, neumonia, and brought in a doctors note and got his points back. Might want to give it a try.

[Jason]

This day and age it's hard to find good dependable friends, I've got one dependable buddy.
He's the type of buddy I can call on when needed most. We usually hunt together, but theres
times when I'm hunting and he's working or vise versa, he's the type that will call in sick to
work just to come help pack meat just as I would do for him.

[Special T]

I hear ya.. I haven't had trouble with my hunting partner, my cousin, but with people i know. I have invited "Friends" to go on vacation and stay at the condo i'm using cause there is an extra room.. I cannot tell you how many times it has gone unused because some "Friend" has drug out my invitation until no one else could go.. I think some people are afraid to say no or in your case don't take the issue seriously. I also think that many people want to keep thier options open even tho its only a small chance they could go. When the opportunity arises now I stay on their ass! I invite them, give them a week and then tell them i need an answer in a week... 2 weeks max. So far I have separated the flakes from the serious takers. I think most people want to go on the trip or do the job but don't match your motivation.    Most serious takers will keep in contact with you and not make you hunt them down like they owe you $$$.

[Rhinoron247]

I am forever amazed at the general lack of integrity and credibility amongst the general population.  It seems like in today's world it is rare to find someone who knows what it means to "do what you say" and the real meaning of your word and a hand shake.   

When you do finally meet someone with integrity and character it is a breath of fresh air.      

 

[MADMAX]

I have that T-shirt with undependable hunting partners.
Drew the Peaches any bull archery tag and ended up hunting by myself, had 3 guys with me for the first couple of days and they would not even come help me try and bugle one in.
They wanted to hunt the Nile so I hunted alone, said screw it and shot a spike bull and went home after 4 more days alone

[NRA4LIFE]

I guess I am lucky.  My partner and I are as dependable as anyone.  If we say we're going to be somewhere, we are there.  Period.  A couple years ago I was a little bit late getting back to camp after a day off and I heard about it (chuckle).  Not to say we haven't had our bit of drama with other fellas, but that's another story.

[Sorefeet]

I appreciate all the comments but feel I have to respond to huntnnw. I take responsibility for not checking myself on the Montana hunt dates this year. I trusted someone for the first and last time on this issue. I guess I learned my lesson.

You mentioned that you would never pay for camp crap in your post. I have gotten rid of a lot of guys like you that did not want to pay for "camp crap" IE.Food, propane, gas money. butcher fees. Do you hold up your end in these issues or is everything that cost money considered "camp crap" to you.
If guys are hunting together for years does it not make sense to help out when both parties are using items. Maybe not help pay for the tent but maybe pay for more of the food bill etc..

It is like someone buying a boat. You take a guy fishing and half the people don't offer gas money or nothing. When I go out on another's boat, I pay gas and food. When I have stayed in friends cabins, I have given generous gift cards in return. I have done this because it is the right thing to do and I want to carry my weight in the world.
You also mentioned that it had nothing to do with a bad hunting buddy. I disagree again. We are all grown men and when we don't take ownership over what we do and don't do, you are not being a good friend or hunting buddy.

PS> Don't worry huntnnw I will not pm you to make you an offer to be my new hunting buddy. I don't like cheap-a**es

[grundy53]

I appreciate all the comments but feel I have to respond to huntnnw. I take responsibility for not checking myself on the Montana hunt dates this year. I trusted someone for the first and last time on this issue. I guess I learned my lesson.

You mentioned that you would never pay for camp crap in your post. I have gotten rid of a lot of guys like you that did not want to pay for "camp crap" IE.Food, propane, gas money. butcher fees. Do you hold up your end in these issues or is everything that cost money considered "camp crap" to you.
If guys are hunting together for years does it not make sense to help out when both parties are using items. Maybe not help pay for the tent but maybe pay for more of the food bill etc..

It is like someone buying a boat. You take a guy fishing and half the people don't offer gas money or nothing. When I go out on another's boat, I pay gas and food. When I have stayed in friends cabins, I have given generous gift cards in return. I have done this because it is the right thing to do and I want to carry my weight in the world.You also mentioned that it had nothing to do with a bad hunting buddy. I disagree again. We are all grown men and when we don't take ownership over what we do and don't do, you are not being a good friend or hunting buddy.

PS> Don't worry huntnnw I will not pm you to make you an offer to be my new hunting buddy. I don't like cheap-a**es

I completley agree. I'm the same way. If you take me out on your boat or we take your truck you better beleive I'm chipping in for gas. If we are using your trailer i'm paying the fee if there is one.

[greenhead_killer]

i had a "buddy" that was very similar. i was always doing the leg work and what not and he just wanted to show up and shoot whatever was legal whether he spotted or i did. i finally had enough and said the hell with him. i have been very lucky to have another hunting partner that is like minded as myself and we never worry about anything. we each have our own areas we take care of and go from there. perfect hunting reltionship and friendship in general.

[6x6in6]

I appreciate all the comments but feel I have to respond to huntnnw. I take responsibility for not checking myself on the Montana hunt dates this year. I trusted someone for the first and last time on this issue. I guess I learned my lesson.

You mentioned that you would never pay for camp crap in your post. I have gotten rid of a lot of guys like you that did not want to pay for "camp crap" IE.Food, propane, gas money. butcher fees. Do you hold up your end in these issues or is everything that cost money considered "camp crap" to you.
If guys are hunting together for years does it not make sense to help out when both parties are using items. Maybe not help pay for the tent but maybe pay for more of the food bill etc..

It is like someone buying a boat. You take a guy fishing and half the people don't offer gas money or nothing. When I go out on another's boat, I pay gas and food. When I have stayed in friends cabins, I have given generous gift cards in return. I have done this because it is the right thing to do and I want to carry my weight in the world.You also mentioned that it had nothing to do with a bad hunting buddy. I disagree again. We are all grown men and when we don't take ownership over what we do and don't do, you are not being a good friend or hunting buddy.

PS> Don't worry huntnnw I will not pm you to make you an offer to be my new hunting buddy. I don't like cheap-a**es

I completley agree. I'm the same way. If you take me out on your boat or we take your truck you better beleive I'm chipping in for gas. If we are using your trailer i'm paying the fee if there is one.

Ditto!!
It honestly seems like every year we are standing around the fire and having a discussion that we all feel that our own self has not pulled there weight for some reason.  We just chuckle, toss a couple ice cubes in a cup with the whiskey of choice and throw out the "to another year" toast.
Do we tally up everything to the dollar?  No.  It's obvious that everyone has pulled their weight in the many areas it takes to make it a successful trip.

[seth30]

Thanks to the is website, I have met several good friends and hunters!  Without this website, well I would be hunting alone every time. 

[Kowsrule30]

I am forever amazed at the general lack of integrity and credibility amongst the general population.  It seems like in today's world it is rare to find someone who knows what it means to "do what you say" and the real meaning of your word and a hand shake.   

When you do finally meet someone with integrity and character it is a breath of fresh air.      

 

Yep... X100...... Totally agree.... I remember growing up with my Dad and that's how it was all done.... I did the same dealing in the same business has he had.... It's not the same now..... Been screwed more then not..... Now it's contract, signature, then the "handshake."

[vaz,,66]

I'm new to this forum but I decided to speak and to tell what i think about thous ppl
Who like to get everything but don't like to pay a penny thats wrong , if no one will take care for

The camp crap..

simply there will be no camp . I have my own experience with ppl like that they don't like to spend time for scouting but they  think you have to tell them were the best spot to hunt , they don't pay for camp gear but they will take the best spot in a tent and ofter all they will start teach you how to save many and not to buy all kinds of junk like '' campgearr '' and on and on.......... I have few frainds like that who doesn't like to do anything to be successfull but when you said this year ill hunt along they got mad at you . Yes hunting required some investments and responsibilities and i do that but thous who doesn't like to do that they have no place out there " If you don't like to work don't eat " . TO HAVE A GOOD HUNTING PARTNER ITS LIKE TO FIND A TREASURE IN THIS DAYS .

[jackmaster]

sorefeet, i agree 1000% with ya, i have done most of my huntn over the years with my best friend, i just bought a walltent with the yukon stove built a shower that goes with the tent, bought this sweet ass pantry that goes with it and now i am in the process of gettin the bunkbeds, but its funnjy cause my hutn partner says dude i am so happy you built a shower because i am tired of bathing with baby wipes, well i can tell you this if he doesnt offer to pay for food and gas this year well we wont be huntn together anymore, i have always paid for everything and we always use my truck my gas my food and i have always been ok with it and he makes better money than i do, no more though, i would rather just huntn with my son, oh and huntnw really dude, i have a feeling that your the huntn partner that doesnt offer up squat....

[wlandrum]

Bummer, sorry to hear that.     

[rasbo]

had a woman show up in camp with a friend of mine,she thought the whole trip and world revolved around her..brought very little and expected the rest of us to take care of her...boy did she get a big suprise...what an attention whore..We haven't let our buddy forget about  her..Don't know how folks can show or go with someone and not feel they should be paying their way and doing their part in the activities...

[pianoman9701]

I had a partner for 5 years, elk archery for the full week. The last ime we hunted, he hadn't seen anything for the first three days and when I got back to camp on the morning of the 4th, he was packing his chit. Done!

The next partner I had hunted for two years with me, then two weeks before the third season, tells me he's hunting another area with his wife, would I like to join them. I'd done all the scouting, several trips and a lot of miles on my feet. Done!

Last year, my new hunting bud's mother-in-law went crazy and he couldn't go. I hunted alone for 10 days. Lonely camp at night. Hopefully, he'll be ok for this year. He's an old, dear friend and says that hunting is his passion. We'll see what happens this September, although he's been dragging his feet with preparations.

It's hard when you depend on others when their commitment level is different.

[vaz,,66]

What i learned that this is our fault .. most of the time.. that they treat us  this way . Usually we are too offraid or too good to say what we think, we don't wont to heart someones fillings and we keep silent at list i was like that but not any more

[croix]

I am very fortunate. I've got at least three that I can count on. We all recognize that schedules change and sometimes things fall through, but we are good at communicating that as soon as possible. I would say that I have put more effort into organizing trips than most of them, but that's only because I have that kind of time 

There was one time that one of my buddies had some very last minute changes which prevented him from making the trip, but because he was responsible for dinner on one of those nights he drove more than an hour to make camp just to make us dinner and then drove home. Now that's a buddy!