Native American Hunter Input Sought...

[trophyhunt]

 although the State could push for this but I would guess that they make to much money from the Reservations?                                                                   
[/quote]                                                                                                                What the .... are you talking about? Making money from the res? Am I missing something?  Does the state make money from any res in the state? Please, seriously let me know if this is true because I would love to know what you are talking about?

[HighCountryHunter88]

it sounded to me like he was just giving his opinion on his tribe?  thats why he said not sure about the Yaks.. bobcat, i know from first hand that in a couple higher areas there are elk that cross east and west during archery season and there are some nice bulls. but i do think that the rez is pretty over hunted for the game pop. that they have

[bobcat]

I don't know how the state makes money from reservations either. If anything, the state LOSES money. For a lot of reasons. But, that's another topic so I won't go into that now.

[Wazukie]

The deer and Elk population is pretty good on the Reservation, but when they go after these animals, they are going after the big boys and as you know, the quality animals don't always stay in one place.  I know a lot of Yakama Indians and I have ssen the animals they get every year, they will go where they know the elk are at.

[Coastal_native]

point taken Trophyhunt...I try to use phrases like "I think" and "it seems" when I'm offering a general tribal perspective.  When commenting specifically about my tribe, I use more specific terms.  I thought I was doing a good job with that, but apparently not.

Maybe I'll write up a disclaimer that will appear with all my posts, so no one gets confused and thinks I'm making a legally recorded comment under oath on this anonymous internet forum. 

[trophyhunt]

I'm just saying, you seem to talk as if your a representative of all tribes in this state and it seems you really don't know how the other tribes act when it comes to there ways of hunting.  That's all.  You know we are at disagreements on how the rights differ between us, I just thought you were more educated on all the tribes not just yours.

[Coastal_native]

right on...pm sent.

I do know a fair amount about many other tribes in the state...I communicate with tribal resource managers quite a bit, but you're right...that don't make me an expert. 

[Wazukie]

                                                               
[/quote]                                                                                                                What the .... are you talking about? Making money from the res? Am I missing something?  Does the state make money from any res in the state? Please, seriously let me know if this is true because I would love to know what you are talking about?
[/quote]

I guess I should re-word this, if you do the research, its not the state that gets the money but our glorious governor. 

[Coastal_native]

                                                               
I guess I should re-word this, if you do the research, its not the state that gets the money but our glorious governor.

She aint gettin any of my money...that's for sure

[trophyhunt]

                                                               

                                                                                                                What the .... are you talking about? Making money from the res? Am I missing something?  Does the state make money from any res in the state? Please, seriously let me know if this is true because I would love to know what you are talking about?
[/quote]

I guess I should re-word this, if you do the research, its not the state that gets the money but our glorious governor.                                                                                                                                                                                             
[/quote]                                                                                                          I'm really not trying to be a dick about this, but what money does the state collect from the tribes?  I have allways assumed that the tribes never pay taxes and received cheap loans, cheap or free housing and didn't pay a cent of casino profits to the state?  I also read quite a bit about the state paying millions in gas taxes back to the tribe for projects that have never been finished. Please inform me, again I'm not being a smart ass.

[Wazukie]

You're right, states can not collect taxes from Tribes.  But they do have the right to negotiate with the tribes.  Like this whole gas tax thing, its not that the state "has" to pay gas taxes back to the tribes, its a deal that the state(governor) made with them.  Ok, no more tax talk here, sorry to the OP for bringing it up.  Lets try to keep this to what was originally asked.

[trophyhunt]

Bed time for me, I've been up for 22 hours and now I can't see straight. It will be interesting to see how long this goes before the managment blows it up, but I must say- so far so good.  We have treated each other with respect, good night.

[Coastal_native]

oh yeah, I almost forgot about the OP.

rose-n-arrows,

I wrote a paper in my undergrad technical writing class that was basically the same topic.  The best input I got was from interviews with non-tribal natural resource managers...non-indians that've worked for tribes managing fish and wildlife for many years.  They have very objective opinions, especially if they fish or hunt.  Most tribes have a handful of them.  Good luck!

[rose-n-arrows]

Once again, I thank each and every one of you for your input.  I will continue to check the thread for more input as I work on my presentation.  Enjoy the 3 day weekend, everybody!

[asl20bball]

I think it is fair that the native's get to hunt traditional areas which do in fact extend outside of their reservations..however what is unfair is the technology and resources they now have available to the to get to the areas they "traditionally" hunted/fished. For example, it is fair that the Tribe X today hunts a "traditional" area outside the reservations when they can drive their $40,000 4x4 truck 100 miles and shoot a long range rifle with a high powered scope just to go hunt that "traditional" area.? I don't believe  that this is "tradition" at all. That said, I'm really not sure what solution we have to this problem considering the day and age we live in. Perhaps if they are hunting "traditional" areas off the rez then "traditional" methods such as archery only or open sight rifles would be more "traditional" and fair to me. One simliar example of using traditional methods was the Makah indians hunting the whales in canoes and spears. As a non-native person I had much more respect for natives getting hunting/fishing privealges that that we don't when traditional methods were used.