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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2011, 11:40:38 AM »
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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2011, 11:50:48 AM »
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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2011, 12:02:18 PM »
     I love how the Blue Mtns pack(s) are still "unconfirmed" after three years of confirmed sightings and kills. 5 packs in Eastern Washington = zero elk in 10 years. Better pray you draw a quality elk tag soon!  :bash:
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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2011, 12:24:12 PM »
Well this is going to just wipe out the big game population in Wa. You have to know that the tree hugging enviros have a different adgenda. Once the wolves wipe out the big game they will say there is no need for hunting anymore. Surely WA governor and fish and game doesn't have a back bone to stand up to USFW like Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho did.  This is enough to really piss a guy off and ruin his day. Well hopefully the big game pictures of animals taken in the past will remain on here because that's about to change.
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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2011, 12:34:13 PM »
Once we have enough large predators and the herbivore population starts to drop, the predator population will fall and start a natural up and down predator and prey cycle. We will not need hunting as a management tool. The money people will save by not being allowed to hunt will make it easier to pay more taxes. The wildlife will need more space to do their thing, so people living in rural areas will need to surrender their land to the great American wilderness and move to the cities like normal evolved humans. Embrace "Hope and Change", it is good for you. :chuckle: :chuckle:

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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2011, 12:46:55 PM »
Idaho MT and WY was supposed to each get 100 wolves, now they have many times more than that confirmed, many people beleive the real wolf population is 2 or 3 times the confirmed population.

There is no doubt WA is on the same road as Idaho, and probably will end up even worse. Be sure and go hunting this fall and for the next couple years, this will be the last of the good old days.  :twocents:
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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2011, 04:41:35 PM »
Idaho MT and WY was supposed to each get 100 wolves, now they have many times more than that confirmed, many people beleive the real wolf population is 2 or 3 times the confirmed population.

There is no doubt WA is on the same road as Idaho, and probably will end up even worse. Be sure and go hunting this fall and for the next couple years, this will be the last of the good old days.  :twocents:

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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2011, 05:13:38 PM »
there were two articles in the tricity herald today about the wolf plan. the one thing that stood out to me in the article titled- Ranchers, others say draft plan not enough- was the Kiles, owners of T&S cattle company pointed out that a seperate part of the revised plan said 1,000 wolves will be necessary for a genetically stable population in the state. i personally do not know enough about the wolf plan to make educated comments but if 300 wolves eat -x- amount of deer & elk what would 1,000 do? can  anyone more educated about this plan than me clarify this? guess i need to start researching.

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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 05:15:25 PM »

You got a URL for this story?


Washington wolf plan calls for 15 packs in state
After hosting 19 public meetings and reviewing more than 65,000 comments, the state released its revised plan to recover gray wolves in Washington that should both please and upset cattlemen, hunters and conservationists.

By K.C. MEHAFFEY

The Wenatchee World

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After hosting 19 public meetings and reviewing more than 65,000 comments, the state released its revised plan to recover gray wolves in Washington that should both please and upset cattlemen, hunters and conservationists.

Some aren't happy that the plan still requires 15 packs of wolves for three consecutive years in order to remove protections required under the Endangered Species Act.

Others might not like the agency's plan to seek higher penalties for poaching wolves.

Scheduled for final review in August by the Washington Wildlife Commission, the plan will guide state strategies for recovering gray wolves in Washington. Wolves are listed as federally endangered in the western two-thirds of the state, where the only known pack is the Methow Valley's Lookout Pack. The federal government recently delisted Rocky Mountain gray wolves, including lands east of Highway 97 where the state's two other known packs reside. Additional unconfirmed packs may exist in the Blue Mountains, North Cascades National Park, and Kittitas County, according to the draft document.

Rocky Beach, wildlife diversity manager for the state Department of Fish and Wildlife, said overall, the plan is largely the same as the state's draft proposal, although many parts were "tweaked" to reflect comments and scientific peer reviews.

One of the biggest changes has to do with the numbers of breeding pairs needed to remove wolves from federal protections, he said. The draft plan required two successful breeding pairs in the Eastern Washington region, two in the North Cascades, and five in the Southern Cascades and Northwest Coast. Six additional breeding pairs in any part of the state were also needed.

Now, six breeding pairs are required in Eastern Washington, four in the North Cascades and five altogether in Southern Cascades and the Northwest Coast to delist them. Beach said the change allows wildlife managers more certainty in recovery before delisting, and more flexibility in managing wolves in the separate areas. Fifteen successful breeding pairs is equal to between 97 and 361 wolves, the plan says.

One of the most controversial changes will likely be allowing landowners or state Wildlife officers to kill a wolf in the act of killing livestock, guard animals or domestic dogs while on private or leased property. The wolf must be caught "in the act" of attacking the animal. "It's a very rare event, as we know from the Rocky Mountain states," Beach said.

The plan also gives Wildlife managers new options to kill or move wolves that threaten at-risk populations of deer, elk or caribou. Beach said it's also unlikely that wolves will be plentiful enough to harm the state's elk or deer herds while they're still endangered, but it gives wildlife managers more options. Approximately 300 wolves will kill between 6,700 and 10,000 deer and elk each year, the plan states.

The plan also:

- Adds new recommendations for homeowners who own dogs and live in areas with wolves, including not leaving dogs outside overnight unless they are in a sturdy kennel, and not allowing dogs to run at large.

- Adds new recommendations for people who hike with dogs, including considering leaving dogs at home while hiking in areas with wolves, keeping dogs on a leash when hiking in known wolf habitat and placing a bell on the dog's collar to alert wolves that people are present.

- Adds information about parasitic tapeworms, which have recently been found in more than half of the wolves tested in Idaho and Montana. Beach said the parasite can also make its way into the state from traveling coyotes, fox, deer, elk or other ungulates.

The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission will review the new draft plan during its June 4 meeting in Olympia, and a 17-member citizens group which helped draft the plan will look at changes before the state releases its updated Environmental Impact Statement to the public. The Commission will hear public comments on the final plan in August before considering adoption in December.

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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2011, 05:18:33 PM »
chapter 14 pg. 222 of draft plan

In the future, there could be revenue generated for WDFW if wolves recover to the point that they  are delisted, reclassified as a game species, and eventually become a hunted species. Revenue could  be generated through special permit application sales, auctions, and raffles. It is unknown how  much revenue would be generated from these sources. Such sales might be similar to those  obtained for bighorn sheep, moose, and mountain goats during most of the past decade an estimated $50,000 to $150,000 per year, or could be substantially higher.

pg 226 
As with the other economic outcomes discussed in this chapter, Washington’s ability to develop a  viable wolf-related tourism industry will depend on where and how many wolves eventually become  reestablished in the state, their behavior, and human behavior in response to them. However,  Washington appears to have potential for receiving at least modest economic benefits from wolf  watching for the following reasons

see... nothing but positives, wolves will generate revenue, increase tourism  and make you more attractive to the opposite sex.  :bash: :bash: :bash:


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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2011, 07:42:40 PM »
if i understand this right the state says 1000 wolfs to have a sustained huntable population. 300 wolfs will kill and eat between 6,700 and 10,000 deer and elk a year. if 1000 wolfs are the goal that would be between 20,100 and 30,000 deer and elk. my math may be very wrong i hope I'm wrong. With 1000 wolfs it wouldn't be very long and there would be no prey and no hunting opportunity's. then we become the prey right. i hope someone with power has Little common seance.

please some one tell me I'm wrong or i read this wrong
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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2011, 08:35:43 PM »
The people in charge of the wolf plan at WDFW are wolf lovers, of course they want the most liberal plan of any state. The WDFW initially weighted the wolf working group heavy to wolf lovers. Every part of the wolf plan has been orchestrated to promote wolves and new information coming out of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Canada, and Michigan is being ignored.

The only recourse I see is to try to get legislators involved.  :twocents:
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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2011, 05:38:59 AM »
Alarmed WA hunters doing the math on wolf program

 The Washington Fish & Wildlife Commission meets tomorrow at the Natural Resources building in Olympia to unveil and review the current version of a proposed wolf recovery program, an effort this state’s big game hunters see as a plan that will ultimately doom their hunting tradition.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/alarmed-wa-hunters-doing-the-math-on-wolf-program


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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2011, 06:14:03 AM »
Why are we spending time drafting a plan?  Montana and Idaho had plans that made everybody happy and when they reached the goal the goal line was extended and this happened several times.  A federal judge can over ride the plan and we certainly have left wing federal judges in Wash.  Wyoming will not make a plan and their plan is working well.  Even Congress took these predators off the list and a federal judge is stepping in and trying to over ride Congress.  Montana and Idaho are now seeing that Wyoming was on the right track in the beginning.  A plan is strictly a "smoke screen" to convince the public the go along with recovery.  Eventually, once the plan falls to pieces the people will take it in their own hands.  This is happening in Idaho and Montana presently as many of you know. 

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Re: Draft state wolf plan revised; review process planned
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2011, 09:33:45 AM »
Good one Dave. Where in the heck does $1.5 Billion & 26K jobs come from wildlife watching? Oh I know, they pulled a number out of a hat. No really.
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