Sabotloader, tell me about elk bullets.

[rock]

Power belts shoot great on paper. On whitetails in Indiana, they suck!. i wouldnt trust them to shoot a yote .

[MHWASH]

Thanks for all the info, Sabotloader.

 I'm ready to load the Speers, now can you tell me what Harvester sabot would be best? If it helps I'm shooting a Knight Wolverine.

[Sabotloader]

Thanks for all the info, Sabotloader.

 I'm ready to load the Speers, now can you tell me what Harvester sabot would be best? If it helps I'm shooting a Knight Wolverine.

Dang! - Colfax - that is not very far from Moscow

I use the MMP HPH-24, for both the 250 grain and the 300 grain, so I assume the Harvester regular smooth long black would be the one for you... Probably this one H5045 LB for the 300 and maybe the H5045 SB (short black) for the 250's.

[MHWASH]

No, Colfax is not far from Moscow, Heck I even have some family over there. I was supposed to bear hunt down in the FLoodwoods this spring, but because of the snow I was unable to.

 I'm going to make y order today, and I sure appreciate the help. I'm unfamilure with the MMP HPH-24, how makes them and when do you find them?

[Sabotloader]

No, Colfax is not far from Moscow, Heck I even have some family over there. I was supposed to bear hunt down in the FLoodwoods this spring, but because of the snow I was unable to.

I was told the other day that there was still 86" of snow on Elk Butte, and 126" left in the Freeze Out area!!!

I'm going to make y order today, and I sure appreciate the help. I'm unfamilure with the MMP HPH-24, how makes them and when do you find them?

www.mmpsabots.com
(870) 741-5019

Also remember the prices on the Web site include shipping to your door.  They are more expensive than the Harvester @ first look, but by the time you add the shipping from Midway or Midsouth - it all about evens out...

Check your PM's...

mike

[rock]

Sabotloader, instead of starting a new thread, i decided to ask it on here. Have you ever experimented with the maxi-ball or maxi-hunter? Since in Washington we cant use scopes. Shots wouldnt be farther than 100 yards most of time the time. What about other conicals lead bullets? Or even powerbelts? Just curious to here your thoughts on those. As i am trying to find a short range elk bullet. I am hunting steep thick country. And shots wont be over 100 yards. And i want that elk down right then and there? Can i still get that power with the lighter sabots?

[Sabotloader]

Sabotloader, instead of starting a new thread, i decided to ask it on here. Have you ever experimented with the maxi-ball or maxi-hunter? Since in Washington we cant use scopes. Shots wouldnt be farther than 100 yards most of time the time. What about other conicals lead bullets? Or even powerbelts? Just curious to here your thoughts on those. As i am trying to find a short range elk bullet. I am hunting steep thick country. And shots wont be over 100 yards. And i want that elk down right then and there? Can i still get that power with the lighter sabots?

I have shot both the maxi and mini and many other types in my search for the right conical here in Idaho.  No doubt they work well for a lot of people… but I am spoiled I do not like the idea of using a short starter to load… I am lazy – I know.  I really prefer the slip fit ideal – like loading a sabot.

My search lead me first to ‘No Excuse’ conicals because they were somewhat local (Utah) and Dave is an excellent guy to work with.  Then the White guys convinced me to try some Bull Shops from Alaska.  Dan will size the bullet to your bore so it becomes a ‘slip fit’. Insert it in the bore and push it done with your thumb then the ram rod.

He makes a lot of different conicals and they price is outstanding.  I settled on the .503-460 grain MTNEx.  I know it is big but that way I have one conical for both deer and elk.  And believe me it works… Dan’s formula for the lead is just right and his NASA green lube is awesome.



Oh ya! And they shoot great from either a 1-48, 1-28, and the 1-24 Twist White…

 

[rock]

Awsome. So for elk hunting short range, sabot or conical which bullet would you choose? That are still readily available?
Thanks for answering all my questions.

[Sabotloader]

Awsome. So for elk hunting short range, sabot or conical which bullet would you choose? That are still readily available?
Thanks for answering all my questions.

Since I am a fan of velocity (speed) and terminal performance - I am to old to do a lot of tracking or packing... Elk hunting during the regular rifle season, I am going to use the Lehigh/Bloodline .458-300 grain DOA with a MMP sabot... Deer hunting during the regular rifle season... either the .452-250 grain DOA or the the .400-200 grain DOA...  During ML season it is a much simpler choice since we are required to use a conical... I will use Dan's Bull Shop - .503-460 grain MTNEx, a .125x.510 shot card and 90 grains of T7-3f...

[rock]

Thanks for the help!

[Sabotloader]

Thanks for the help!

no problem... just remember that there is always more than one answer....

mike

[cem3434]

Where do you buy the Speer Gold Dot/Deep Curl?  I looked on Cabelas and Midway, but didnt see where either of them sold these? You guys keep talking about .45 cal, but do they make these in .50 cal?

If so, I would like to give them a try in my A&H 50 cal. If they dont, Sabotloader, what would you recommend?

[Sabotloader]

Where do you buy the Speer Gold Dot/Deep Curl?  I looked on Cabelas and Midway, but didnt see where either of them sold these?

This one for elk and deer to 200 yards.

http://www.gamaliel.com/45Caliber451/speer-452-300gr-45-caldeepcurl-soft-point.asp

This one for deer easily to 175 yards....

http://www.gamaliel.com/45Caliber451/speer-452-250gr-gold-dot-hp-45-cal.asp

You guys keep talking about .45 cal, but do they make these in .50 cal?

If so, I would like to give them a try in my A&H 50 cal. If they dont, Sabotloader, what would you recommend?

They are a 45 cal bullet (.452) and then you will need a sabot to fit your gun.  I am pretty sure that I shot MMP HPH-24's in my A&H or Harvester Smooth black sabots will also work.  I would use the Harvester 5045LB with either bullet but a lot of folks like the 5045SB (short black)

[cem3434]

Thanks, I think I will have to give them a try.

[Sabotloader]

Thanks, I think I will have to give them a try.

They are, in my opinion only, probably the best non-premium priced bullet out there.  Here is what they looked after I tried to destroy them...



And here is a buck-a-bullet - recovered Nosler Partition...



The Speer Deep Curls are a real decent bullet...