Thanks for the info. Went scouting up there aways past Kid Valley on the Mtn bikes on a couple of the roads on the left side but didn't get back in that far, lotta up hill stuff. Waiting for my info pack from F&G and it seems like I've heard that maybe the gates will be open for the season, we'll see. Keeping my fingers crossed. I think it's gonna be pretty crowded with 140 permits issued for up there. Thanks again.