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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2008, 02:36:53 PM »
they are going to spend 10 million on self cleaning dumpsters.The *censored*ters worked so well.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2008, 01:20:09 PM »
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they are going to spend 10 million on self cleaning dumpsters.The *censored*ters worked so well

Yeah, He wants to replace smelly dumpsters with bags. Bags that are already in use in many alleys, you can easily see where. They're the alleys where the rats and the bums have torn them open and thrown garbage everywhere.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2008, 12:20:37 PM »
The lastest from Nickels.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/386966_guns08.html

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Mayor moves forward on gun ban plan
McKenna says state law applies
By LEVI PULKKINEN
P-I REPORTER

An unequivocal "no" from the state Attorney General's Office is often enough to shoot down a city proposal.

Not so with a move by Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels to ban legally permitted handguns from city-owned parks and buildings, an effort that, if successful, could shatter a 47-year-old state prohibition against cities' regulation of firearms.

The Mayor's Office continues to build a case for the ban despite an Oct. 14 opinion issued by Attorney General Rob McKenna's office arguing that the city cannot pre-empt state gun law. The mayor hopes to introduce an administrative order next month.

"The cities are the ones on the front lines of this issue," said Regina LaBelle, legal counsel to the mayor. "We always have to keep in mind not just state law but also federal laws. But our bottom line is that we want to have common-sense gun laws."

Gun-control supporters have long targeted so-called "pre-emption" laws that keep gun regulation out of the hands of city lawmakers, who often are more inclined to create restrictions than their state and federal counterparts. Nickels' push represents a bright spot for gun-control advocates who've largely been stymied for more than a decade and watched this year as a string of high-profile shootings failed to elevate the issue in the national political campaigns or state races.

Nickels' move was widely criticized by supporters of gun rights, who saw it as both wrongheaded and outside the mayor's mandate. That view is shared by Rep. Kevin Van De Wege, a Sequim Democrat who asked the attorney general to review Nickels' proposed ban.

"We quickly realized that he can't do that, that it would be illegal," Van De Wege said. "Even people who don't like guns can see the point here that we can't have every municipality having different gun regulations."

The past eight years have been marked by stagnation or backward movement for gun-control advocates, said Ladd Everitt, communications director for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

President Bush allowed limits on assault weapons and other firearms to expire. In response to a scathing Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives report, Congress severely curtailed the agency's ability to share information on guns used in crime. And, though it received mixed reviews on both sides of the gun question, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed a constitutional right to individual gun ownership.

A Democratic majority in the House of Representatives offered no relief for gun-control proponents.

"Anyone who thought this Democratic Congress was going to be strong on gun issues was sadly mistaken," Everitt said. "That said, I think that Barack Obama gets this, understands the balancing act" between the views of rural and urban Americans on the issue.

Some gun owners fear what Obama and a stronger Democratic Congress might do. Gun stores across the nation report a surge in business since Tuesday's election, attributing it to buyers worried that their ability to obtain firearms might be curtailed.

The Virginia Tech massacre did prompt Congress to improve the flawed national database used to perform background checks on gun buyers. If funded, the improvement package should ensure that more states submit mental health information to the system, said Eric Nelson, an assistant attorney general representing the Department of Social and Health Services.

As the system currently stands, most states fail to identify mentally ill individuals who've been confined against their will in the federal system. As a practical matter, Nelson said, that means someone institutionalized in Oregon or another state would pass a background check in Washington.

"It certainly is the case that not every state is submitting mental health records," Nelson said. "If FedEx can track a package around the world, how is it that the state and federal authorities can't track these prohibitive records?"

Washington began submitting records to the system in 2004, Nelson said. But the state background-check system remains fragmented, with each of the state's 291 police agencies charged with conducting state background checks for concealed pistol licenses.

Arriving at the Northwest Folklife Festival on May 24, 22-year-old Clinton Chad Grainger carried both his pistol and a concealed-weapons permit issued to him despite a history of mental illness. Hours later, he shot and wounded two people during an altercation.

The accidental shooting prompted Nickels to propose a ban on all guns from city-owned parks and buildings. That effort, LaBelle said, is still under way despite the attorney general's opinion.

LaBelle said the city needs greater "clarity" on state law, either from the Legislature or through the courts. She said the Mayor's Office has found 39 other Washington cities that already have restrictions on the books, which shows the issue is far from settled.

The opinion followed the line thought to be enshrined in a 1961 law stating that local gun rules "inconsistent" with state law are "pre-empted and repealed." Expressing a view backed by the attorney general's finding, Van De Wege said state law bans local governments from regulating guns.

Speaking more broadly, Van De Wege said he doesn't see a need for tighter restrictions on guns. The decline in crime rates around the state, he said, shows additional rules aren't needed.

"My concern, and I think a lot of my constituents' concern, is that we're going to end up punishing a lot of law-abiding citizens," he said. "They feel most comfortable carrying a gun, and they want to be able to do that."

LaBelle said the city is looking at only a single change. But she said city officials deserve the authority to protect citizens.

"The mayor has asked repeatedly for the Legislature to allow local representatives to create laws they think are right for their cities," she said. "It's obvious that it's a local concern."

The Mayor's Office plans to release an administrative order later this month in line with the earlier proposal. A public hearing would then take place in early December.


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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2008, 12:27:51 PM »
I saw this....who does he think he is?! If I had the money, I would purposely get ticketed for this and take him to court on it. I think its complete  :liar: :mor:

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2008, 12:30:44 PM »
With the change at the White House we can be sure that the battles are just beginning.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2008, 09:28:14 AM »
Sent to Mayor Nickels this morning.

Mayor Nickels,

   I am writing to express to you that your proposed gun ban on city parks is completely wrong. Clearly your intentions are noble, but your methods are misguided. The only thing such a ban will do is punish law abiding citizens who wish to protect their families and exercise their constitutional right to bear arms.

   Of course, you would also be able to add an additional charge to a criminal that has already committed some heinous crime, but it makes more sense to me to make them actually bear the punishment for the original crime. Clinton Grainger was released after just 78 days served. I fail to understand how the crime which has been used as fuel for your gun ban fire can only result in 78 days of jail time. This is a problem worth spending energy on… NOT trying to violate the rights of legal gun carrying citizens.

   I am asking you to please stop wasting time and taxpayer’s money on what appears to many as a shameless attempt to use the actions of few, to needlessly restrict the law abiding majority. You should listen to State Representative Kevin Van De Wage, state Attorney General Rob McKenna, the Supreme Court… and you should listen me – just your average gun owner.

Respectfully,
Rick Creger
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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2008, 10:08:33 AM »
Mayor Nickels' reply.


Dear Mr. Creger:

 

 

Thank you for your correspondence regarding a "gun free" policy for city property.

 

The gun regulations in our state are some of the weakest in the country. While we have severe penalties for those who commit crimes with guns, state laws do very little to prevent convicted felons, children and the mentally ill from obtaining firearms. For many years the legislature has failed to pass common sense legislation that would protect our citizens by keeping guns out of the hands of those who should not have them. For example, our state allows mentally ill persons who have been involuntarily committed for fewer than 90 days to purchase and possess firearms. This year, the City of Seattle and the State Attorney General supported legislation that would have closed this mental health loophole, but the legislature failed to act on it.

 

The Washington State Supreme Court has ruled that cities may impose conditions related to firearms use on city property. The court held that certain types of firearms regulations related to city-owned property do not violate the State's preemption statute.  The United States Supreme Court recently affirmed the ability of state and local governments to prohibit the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government facilities.

 

 

I have directed city departments to adopt rules and policies related to firearms and other dangerous weapons that are permitted under the state's preemption law. These rules do not infringe on Second Amendment rights nor do they violate the state's laws and ordinances regulating firearms. While these new rules may inconvenience some gun owners who wish to bring their guns on city property, they will result in safer activities and events for all residents and visitors to our city.

 

We are currently studying how to appropriately enforce this order, beginning with signage and other notices of the rules.  No rule, policy or regulation can stop all violent acts from occurring.  However, we do know that by reducing the number of guns and dangerous weapons that are brought onto city property, the less chance there will be for violence to occur.

 

Thank you again for contacting the City of Seattle.

 

Sincerely,

 

GREG NICKELS

Mayor of Seattle
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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2008, 11:59:12 AM »
Like all brainwashed, liberal Democrats, you will never be able to reason with him.  He is a leftwing nut-job who has been brainwashed since he was a young child. 

The only thing to do is make sure that we educate as many people as possible so these types of people never get into office.

You could ask him question such as, "Name one instance in WA where your laws, that do infact contradict the Constitution no matter what some liberal judge says, would have made a difference?"  

Tell him that we could name many, many instances where someone would have been able to defend themselves if they had had a gun.  However, his point of view is nothing more than "irrational, leftist indoctrination built on a foundation of fear."   >:(

Sadly, no matter what you tell this type of person, they will not listen.  They support every evil thing imaginable based on some looney concept of tolerance, and yet when people do evil things with a gun, they blame the gun.  Very strange, irrational people.

The answer is simple.  Educate, educate, educate and educate some more...   :twocents:

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2008, 01:37:05 PM »
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While these new rules may inconvenience some gun owners who wish to bring their guns on city property, they will result in safer activities and events for all residents and visitors to our city.

Sorry Mayor it will not stop the criminals from continuing on as they please.  The law abiding citizens aren't the problem.  We already have laws pertaining to criminal activity so use them.

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2008, 09:32:03 AM »
Dec 15th a public hearing will be held at the Bertha Knight Landes room at Seattle City Hall, 600 Fourth Ave; sign ins begin at 5:30 P.M.. 

Time to get out and start making our voices heard and stop being pushed around by the vocal yet minority groups who shake in the knees at the meer mention of a gun and who are willing to give up on their rights and TAKE YOURS AWAY!!!!  :bash:

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2008, 09:37:54 AM »
Should we all show up packing heat?  :chuckle:
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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2008, 06:23:31 AM »
Should we all show up packing heat?  :chuckle:


NO! At least not openly.  Not this time.
There is going to be a court challenge by Second Amendment Foundation, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and most likely the National Rifle Association. 

We don't need any goofs by our side that will muck that up in the court of public opinion before it gets into a court of law.   Remember, we are the mainstream. The above-average neighbor. 

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2008, 08:21:38 AM »
Anyone have any idea on what the expected turnout should be like?

Should pro 2A folks get there early before the antis can pack the room and make it seem like they are the majority by locking all others out???   :dunno:

Any plan on having a section where hunting WA members can congregate or show support as a large group??   :dunno:

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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2008, 12:43:36 PM »
A fresh reminder....this monday, meeting in Seattle.



WASHINGTON:  Hearing to be Held on Monday, December 15 Regarding Seattle Mayor's Illegal Anti-Gun Tirade!  As we have reported, Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels--a member of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's anti-gun gang, Mayors Against Illegal Guns--is taking a misguided approach to curbing crime in his city by violating state law.  A public hearing will be held on Monday, December 15 to discuss the issue.  The hearing will be held at 5:30 p.m. in the Bertha Knight Landes Room in the Seattle City Hall located at 600 4th Avenue in Seattle.  Mayor Nickels is seeking the prohibition of firearms at Seattle Center, parks, community centers, and city-owned buildings.  This ban, which includes Right-to-Carry permit holders, does not require review by the City Council and directs that a plan be drawn-up in 30 days to establish the prohibition.  Mayor Nickels' crusade is a clear violation of Washington State's preemption statutes that dictate that only the State Legislature can enact laws pertaining to firearms.  Because of preemption, the city has no arrest power or authority to fine people under Mayor Nickel's outlandish order.  The city may, however, attempt to charge any violators with trespassing.  It is important that NRA members, Right-to-Carry permit holders, firearm owners, and anyone interested in the rule of law to respectfully make their voice heard against this Draconian attack on our Second Amendment freedoms.  Please attend Monday's hearing to voice and show your opposition to this illegal and unwarranted attack on our Second Amendment freedoms.  If you are unable to attend, please contact Mayor Nickels to respectfully voice your opposition.  The Mayor can be reached by phone at (206) 684-4000 or via email by clicking here


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Re: Mayor Nickels Proposes Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2008, 04:49:48 PM »
Come on Ray......... Hempfest?  I wouldn't set foot in the city unarmed. Place is full of packing gang members......... Course so's Marysville.
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