Nice billy (very close)

[steen]

Looks like  shooter and a booner to me.  I don't think I'd hesitate on shooting that billy with a tag in my pocket.  You are lucky you did not get butted by the billy.

[KNOXY]

that is the best I ve never seen one in the wild in the state of wa just in AK where they are like ants!

[wsucowboy]

Awesome pics of a great billy! 

[Austrian Hunter]

Tip to tip and widest width is recorded but not taken into account for official measurement.  Only length of horn and four circumferential measurements less symmetrical deductions in each measurement.  Circumference is measured by dividing each horn into four equal lengths.  You measure at the base (D-1) and at the end of each of the next three segments (D-2 thru D-4).

Thank you for the explanation!   

[DeerThug]

Thoes are excellent pics - I am going to print them for reference pics for my goat hunt. 

I hope I can find one that is that freaking big ---!!!!?

[stickinmaster]

Thanks RadSav for explaining the how toos!

[shanevg]

Tip to tip and widest width is recorded but not taken into account for official measurement.  Only length of horn and four circumferential measurements less symmetrical deductions in each measurement.  Circumference is measured by dividing each horn into four equal lengths.  You measure at the base (D-1) and at the end of each of the next three segments (D-2 thru D-4).

Why measure width and tip to tip if tit doesn't calculate into the score?  That is weird...

I've always claimed that a nice nanny like a few I've taken pictures of may be able to make the 50 inch minimum because of the width.  I just assumed it was calculated because when I went to the Boon and Crocket website it has a little calculator where you put in width and all the other measurements.  Just weird they would measure it and not include it in the score. 

[RadSav]

As of a few years ago the longest horns ever recorded on a Mountain Goat were from a nanny.  Never heard of a nanny with enough length of mass to make B&C minimum though.  Nor should there be.  One of the problems I have with P&Y minimums.  Last I knew there were over 45 nannies listed in P&Y none of which exceeded 45".

I'll try to get a hold of Buzzy Cook and ask about why tip to tip and widest width are recorded and not used.  He's the most knowledgeable on B&C measuring I know.   Must be a reason I just don't have the answer.

[shanevg]

These are two nannies I always figured might push B&C.  Again, that was when I thought width came into account.  Either way - they are both nice nannies.

[RadSav]

With a heavy coat it would be easy to mistake that second one with the kids as a billy.  Nannies usually do not have that much curve to the horns or that much mass.  Thanks for sharing those - Cool!

[shanevg]

With a heavy coat it would be easy to mistake that second one with the kids as a billy.  Nannies usually do not have that much curve to the horns or that much mass.  Thanks for sharing those - Cool!

I've thought the exact same thing.  Definitely a nice nanny.