Author Topic: Nice billy (very close) (Read 7661 times)

shanevg · « **on:** July 04, 2011, 10:44:25 PM »

Went up hiking with a buddy and was surprised to find this billy. We were on a mountain that I have only ever seen 4 mountain goats on and weren't even looking for them. All of a sudden from below is in the slide alder we see movement and this goat is walking towards us (first pic). He definitely had places to go, he just kept on coming, came right by Brian at about 4 yards and moved on past us and into the trees and on up the hill. Looks like a pretty nice billy to me, what do you guys think?

BTW, if anyone is any good at editing pictures and sees good improvement options, I do have RAWs of all images.

shanevg · « **Reply #1 on:** July 04, 2011, 10:45:06 PM »

One more. (Stupid stick!)

I think Brian maybe goat a video with my small camera too, so I'll check that when I get a chance and post if anything is worth posting.

HighCountryHunter88 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2011, 10:52:33 PM »

that is a very big goat...

denali · « **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2011, 10:53:38 PM »

Cool photos !

carpsniperg2 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2011, 11:00:17 PM »

Very cool pic's!!!

zackmioli · « **Reply #5 on:** July 04, 2011, 11:24:51 PM »

awesome pictures!

RadSav · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2011, 12:16:40 AM »

That's a bruiser of a goat! Surprised to see him with such a nice coat this time of year. I would have expected him to be loosing the long hair and looking pretty ugly about now. What a treat. Must have been a rush.

Would sure be nice if I could find one that big and stupid on my Canada trip this year. Saw a crap load during last years trip, but just could not close the deal for a bow shot. Now I have proof dumb ones do exist!

Thanks for sharing.

RadSav · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2011, 12:38:57 AM »

Quote from: shanevg on July 04, 2011, 10:44:25 PM

BTW, if anyone is any good at editing pictures and sees good improvement options, I do have RAWs of all images.

I spent just a few minutes in Digital Image to see what detail was really in your photos. Looks like you do a have quite a bit to work with. I would not be the right guy. But, there are a good number of very good Photo Shop guys out there. Might check out the big labs in Seattle. Or contact a college student who might want to take on a challenge. I know there are some members on here doing some awesome work like "Boneaddict" who might be able to help.

boneaddict · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2011, 04:55:18 AM »

Thanks Radsav. I do very little photo editing so wouldn't be able to helpyou much Shane. What I take is what you see. You got a good focus on him with the busy brush. Don't you love sticks, and you usually don't see them until you get home. That is indeed an awesome goat. Huge would be a better descriptor. Way to be at the right place at the right time.

trophyhunt · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2011, 06:41:59 AM »

Thanks for the posting, great pic's.

180-GRAIN · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2011, 07:05:38 AM »

Awesome goat! I would say if there are any tags in that unit that goat should be #1 on the hit list.

JackOfAllTrades · « **Reply #11 on:** July 05, 2011, 07:59:27 AM »

Wow, what a bruiser!

-Steve

MLBowhunting · « **Reply #12 on:** July 05, 2011, 09:51:03 AM »

that is freaking awesome, how many people can get that close

Goomsba · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2011, 10:01:41 AM »

Great Pics

50CalJim · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2011, 10:04:06 AM »

That's a nice Goat Shane. I do my fair share of hiking & playing with Goats but I don't ever recall seeing one with the total package like that one. Defiantly a trophy Goat!

bucklucky · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2011, 10:29:27 AM »

WOW, that is one heck of a Billy !! Nice pics Shane!

bowsandhose · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2011, 11:10:21 AM »

very cool

nice billy

stickinmaster · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2011, 01:34:20 PM »

How does one go about field judging a goat? Do you judge by comparison to the length of the nose or perhaps by the ears. I mean what is a typical length that you can consider it to be a TROPHY. Double its ears or double + a half

Guess i never really thought about it till looking at this bruiser, figured a goat past its ears is descent or would at least be legal.

shanevg · « **Reply #18 on:** July 05, 2011, 07:43:52 PM »

I'm not the best judge of length. If you read some of the online tutorials they say the ears are usually around 6 inches long and nose to eye is usually 9 inches. Some of the local old timers have told me that ear length and nose length vary so much from goat to goat you can't use either measurement to accurately use them for horn length. The main consensus I have found is that if the horns are noticeably longer than the ears than it is at least a mature billy.

What do you guys think? I don't think he's super long but he should be close to that 10" mark. Do you think he would be a Booner?

shanevg · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2011, 10:24:27 PM »

Some more pics and the video that Brian took with my Lumix.

Mt. Baker billy mountain goat at 4 yards - 7/4/11

rebal69972 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 05, 2011, 11:52:21 PM »

very cool pics

RadSav · « **Reply #21 on:** July 06, 2011, 12:32:19 AM »

Quote from: shanevg on July 05, 2011, 07:43:52 PM

I'm not the best judge of length. If you read some of the online tutorials they say the ears are usually around 6 inches long and nose to eye is usually 9 inches. Some of the local old timers have told me that ear length and nose length vary so much from goat to goat you can't use either measurement to accurately use them for horn length. The main consensus I have found is that if the horns are noticeably longer than the ears than it is at least a mature billy.

What do you guys think? I don't think he's super long but he should be close to that 10" mark. Do you think he would be a Booner?

When has 10" not been super long? Especially on our side of the rockies. I'd give you he doesn't have long mass similar to those further east. However, in my book he is beyond outstanding.

Best I can tell using a cloning brush is that he would be very close to 10"! His D-1, D-2 measurements are great and D-3 measurement is reasonable. The D-4 measurement would be his downfall if he really has one. He looks to have little if any deductions. My best guess would be over 50" less than 52" which should squeak into B&C. Easily into P&Y.

I haven't measured many, but I've seen enough to know I'd shoot him in a heartbeat! No world record but, if my guide told me not to shoot him I'd have a case of poor hearing real quick.

Kowsrule30 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 06, 2011, 01:53:15 PM »

Nice pics..... Huge goat..... Lucky he wasn't feeling mean.....

HUNT · « **Reply #23 on:** July 06, 2011, 02:10:35 PM »

Thats a sweet goat. What a great encounter you had with him.

BOWHUNTER45 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 06, 2011, 02:55:03 PM »

that is real cool and only if that would happen with a bow in your hand .....

shanevg · « **Reply #25 on:** July 06, 2011, 02:58:22 PM »

Quote from: BOWHUNTER45 on July 06, 2011, 02:55:03 PM

that is real cool and only if that would happen with a bow in your hand .....

...and a tag.

Arrow · « **Reply #26 on:** July 06, 2011, 02:58:42 PM »

Wow you either got pretty close or you have a good camera. Thanks for sharing!

shanevg · « **Reply #27 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:05:53 PM »

Quote from: Arrow on July 06, 2011, 02:58:42 PM

Wow you either got pretty close or you have a good camera. Thanks for sharing!

4 yards from Brian. About 8 yards from me.

stickinmaster · « **Reply #28 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:05:20 PM »

Quote from: RadSav on July 06, 2011, 12:32:19 AM

Best I can tell using a cloning brush is that he would be very close to 10"! His D-1, D-2 measurements are great and D-3 measurement is reasonable. The D-4 measurement would be his downfall if he really has one. He looks to have little if any deductions. My best guess would be over 50" less than 52" which should squeak into B&C. Easily into P&Y.

So were do these four measurements come from? Just thought length and width would be the only two

RadSav · « **Reply #29 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:36:24 PM »

Tip to tip and widest width is recorded but not taken into account for official measurement. Only length of horn and four circumferential measurements less symmetrical deductions in each measurement. Circumference is measured by dividing each horn into four equal lengths. You measure at the base (D-1) and at the end of each of the next three segments (D-2 thru D-4).

steen · « **Reply #30 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:12:52 PM »

Looks like shooter and a booner to me. I don't think I'd hesitate on shooting that billy with a tag in my pocket. You are lucky you did not get butted by the billy.

KNOXY · « **Reply #31 on:** July 06, 2011, 10:09:15 PM »

that is the best I ve never seen one in the wild in the state of wa just in AK where they are like ants!

wsucowboy · « **Reply #32 on:** July 08, 2011, 12:54:24 AM »

Awesome pics of a great billy!

Austrian Hunter · « **Reply #33 on:** July 08, 2011, 03:16:37 PM »

Quote from: RadSav on July 06, 2011, 05:36:24 PM

Tip to tip and widest width is recorded but not taken into account for official measurement. Only length of horn and four circumferential measurements less symmetrical deductions in each measurement. Circumference is measured by dividing each horn into four equal lengths. You measure at the base (D-1) and at the end of each of the next three segments (D-2 thru D-4).

Thank you for the explanation!

DeerThug · « **Reply #34 on:** July 08, 2011, 03:32:29 PM »

Thoes are excellent pics - I am going to print them for reference pics for my goat hunt.

I hope I can find one that is that freaking big ---!!!!?

stickinmaster · « **Reply #35 on:** July 08, 2011, 03:54:05 PM »

Thanks RadSav for explaining the how toos!

shanevg · « **Reply #36 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:44:19 PM »

Quote from: RadSav on July 06, 2011, 05:36:24 PM

Tip to tip and widest width is recorded but not taken into account for official measurement. Only length of horn and four circumferential measurements less symmetrical deductions in each measurement. Circumference is measured by dividing each horn into four equal lengths. You measure at the base (D-1) and at the end of each of the next three segments (D-2 thru D-4).

Why measure width and tip to tip if tit doesn't calculate into the score? That is weird...

I've always claimed that a nice nanny like a few I've taken pictures of may be able to make the 50 inch minimum because of the width. I just assumed it was calculated because when I went to the Boon and Crocket website it has a little calculator where you put in width and all the other measurements. Just weird they would measure it and not include it in the score.

RadSav · « **Reply #37 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:09:20 PM »

As of a few years ago the longest horns ever recorded on a Mountain Goat were from a nanny. Never heard of a nanny with enough length of mass to make B&C minimum though. Nor should there be. One of the problems I have with P&Y minimums. Last I knew there were over 45 nannies listed in P&Y none of which exceeded 45".

I'll try to get a hold of Buzzy Cook and ask about why tip to tip and widest width are recorded and not used. He's the most knowledgeable on B&C measuring I know. Must be a reason I just don't have the answer.

shanevg · « **Reply #38 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:49:12 PM »

These are two nannies I always figured might push B&C. Again, that was when I thought width came into account. Either way - they are both nice nannies.

RadSav · « **Reply #39 on:** July 08, 2011, 08:58:39 PM »

With a heavy coat it would be easy to mistake that second one with the kids as a billy. Nannies usually do not have that much curve to the horns or that much mass. Thanks for sharing those - Cool!

shanevg · « **Reply #40 on:** July 08, 2011, 09:13:39 PM »

Quote from: RadSav on July 08, 2011, 08:58:39 PM

With a heavy coat it would be easy to mistake that second one with the kids as a billy. Nannies usually do not have that much curve to the horns or that much mass. Thanks for sharing those - Cool!

I've thought the exact same thing. Definitely a nice nanny.

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