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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2011, 11:56:25 AM »
There are 2 breeding females left and 16 total wolves.  You can google it, everything on google is true so this must be too.

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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2011, 11:56:49 AM »
I meant to say 2 females, I went back and corrected. The problem with basing wolf management off Isle Royale is that there are no other predators, and the whole environment is not representative of a typical environment with multiple predators and many other impacts not found on Isle Royale.

http://www.northlandoutdoors.com/event/article/id/195189/publisher_ID/36/

Isle Royale pack down to 2 female wolves
 Moose numbers are stable but still half of the long-term average.
By: John Myers, Duluth News Tribune

 Several members of an Isle Royale wolf pack in this 2006 photo include the immigrant male wolf (the gray wolf in the middle right) along with his radio-collared daughter and mate wolf on the far right. The single male, which crossed to the island in 1997, has 22 offspring, 34 grand-offspring and is responsible for 56 percent of the gene pool among island wolves. (Photo courtesy Michigan Technological University)

One wolf is responsible for more than half of Isle Royale pack’s genes

The number of wolves roaming on Lake Superior’s Isle Royale has dwindled to just 16 with only two breeding females — a population level researchers say may not be sustainable much longer.

If the two remaining mating females were to die before raising female pups, the wolf population could be headed to extinction.

That’s the report released Tuesday from researchers at Michigan Technological University who have been studying moose on the island for 53 years, considered among the longest-running predator-prey studies in the world.

“The situation is kind of precarious,” said John Vucetich, the Michigan Tech professor who leads the research effort. “Every wolf has a 25 percent chance of dying in any given year, so we could lose those remaining females at any time.”

The 16 wolves counted this winter are down from 19 last year and 24 in 2009.

Once numbering as many as 50, with seven packs, the wolves are down to one pack.

Vucetich said the sex ratio should be close to 50-50 “and it’s been 40 years since we only had one pack. So we have three big issues that are working against them.”

“But it’s always been precarious,” said Rolf Peterson, former head of the Isle Royale research who is still involved in the island study, noting that the average population size is only 24.

The scientists acknowledge that National Park Service policy for the island favors a hands-off, natural management. But they say the Park Service should consider introducing wolves to help reduce inbreeding and bolster the population.

“There’s no formal policy that says they shouldn’t step in toward genetic rescue. But it’s an option we think they should at least take a look at,” Vucetich said. “Is it better for the wilderness or for the park if wolves go extinct? Or should something be done to keep wolves on the island? We are getting close to that decision.”

Isle Royale National Park officials could not be reached Tuesday afternoon for comment.

With no new wolves entering the population, inbreeding appears to be affecting the island wolves’ ability to reproduce and thrive. Researchers in 2009 confirmed that inbreeding is causing wolf deformities such as weak vertebrae. A spinal deformity has been found in 100 percent of wolf skeletons tested.

Wolves crossed ice and first came to the island about 1950. Wolf numbers have ranged from a low of 11 in 1993 to a high of 50 in 1980.

Moose numbers up

Scientists say the moose population appears to be slowly recovering after their numbers bottomed out a few years ago. They counted 515 moose during this winter’s count, up from 510 last year and the year before.

Moose calves on the island were larger this winter, and the fat content of bone marrow indicates that adult moose are better nourished now. The scientists have spotted three sets of twins in the past two years, the first twins since 2005. Winter ticks, which posed a severe threat to the Isle Royale moose in 2007, have declined significantly since then.

Researchers say moose appear to have hit bottom at 385 in 2007, though their numbers remain less than half their historic, long-term average. Scientists speculate that warmer weather has spurred parasites and other problems for the moose.

“We’ve been thinking they are about to pull out of their really low period. And the habitat has rebounded, with lower moose numbers, so there’s lots of food for them to eat,” Vucetich said. “If they don’t come back stronger fairly soon, then the impact (from climate change) may be bigger than we had previously thought.”

Moose came to the island around 1900, peaking at 2,445 in 1995.

Scientists were on the island from January to March, counting and studying wolves and moose.

Isle Royale, a U.S. National Park, sits about 15 miles from Grand Portage off Minnesota’s North Shore and is primarily a wilderness area. It’s a nearly controlled natural environment because there is only one predator — wolves — and only one major prey — moose — with no deer, bear or human hunters involved.
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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2011, 12:04:11 PM »
And the fact that Isle Royale is basically a closed system with little to no immigration or emmigration, I would hope people dont base their management principles off of Isle Royale.

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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2011, 02:32:02 PM »
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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2011, 01:43:46 PM »
Unfortunately Isle Royale is often cited in wolf research, here's an example:

http://books.google.com/books?id=_mXHuSSbiGgC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=wolf+additive&source=bl&ots=cOa01qoZn8&sig=V-7PusYxbrnkag-BTPu7Pdk_6fA&hl=en&ei=wQAdTtSDJYi6sAOC5Zi7DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=wolf%20additive&f=false

This is likely because it's such a closed environment and because it's "easy".

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Isle Royale’s biogeography is well suited for the
project’s goals. That is, Isle Royale’s wolves and
moose are isolated, unable to leave. The population
fluctuations we observe are due primarily to births and
deaths, not the mere wanderings of wolves and moose
to or from the island. Nature is difficult to understand
because it usually includes interactions among so
many species. So it helps to observe where ecological
relationships are relatively simple. On Isle Royale,
wolves are the only predator of moose, and moose are
essentially the only food for wolves. To understand
nature it also helps to observe an ecosystem where
human impact is limited. On Isle Royale, people do not
hunt wolves or moose or cut the forest.
http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/wolfhome/home_files/Annual%20Report%202011%20color.pdf

That article is neat to read. I assume the detail in that article is the #1 reason that people keep referring to that place...it's seemingly good info but in reality it's not.


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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2011, 01:47:08 PM »
This topics title should be changed to " Did Conservation Northwest Plant Wolves in the Teanaway?".

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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2011, 01:55:06 PM »
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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2011, 01:56:30 PM »
This topics title should be changed to " Did Conservation Northwest Plant Wolves in the Teanaway?".

Agreed

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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2011, 02:00:54 PM »
The consequences of genetic deterioration in Isle Royale wolves

http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/overview/overview/rescue
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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2011, 02:08:07 PM »
Naturally occuring predator-prey relationships should not be messed with.  100 years or so of study can't replace what has been happening since the dawn of time.  Introducing something new to an ecosystem that has never had it has proven to have unintended consequences.  Take Hawaii and the introduction of the mongoose to get rid of the rats.  The mongoose started eating the non-flying Nene goose and have since been endangered.  (I grew up in HI). We shouldn't mess with that stuff no matter how "educated" we are!

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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2011, 05:07:19 PM »
This topics title should be changed to " Did Conservation Northwest Plant Wolves in the Teanaway?".

Here you go. :tup:

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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2011, 12:37:09 PM »
come on lets stay on topic here this is about teanaway not some place else? :sry:

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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2011, 06:16:18 PM »
you guys have been saying that wolves were in the area for a long time...why would there be a conspiracy theory now? 

The WDFW responded to wolf sightings and got a collar in the pack.  Good for them.  We should be thrilled that they're doing something.

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There have been threads on here in past years where people talked about wolf sightings in the Teanaway.  I know a guy who claims to have seen one real close to there 2 or 3 years ago.  I remember my mom saying she saw a wolf on Blewett pass about 5 years ago.  I also know a guy who lives right on the Teanaway River who said he had wolves after his chickens in his yard 10 years ago. 

WDFW finally confirms a pack there and now it is a big conspiracy like they just showed up over night.   :dunno:
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Re: Did WDFW really plant wolves in Teanaway?
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2011, 07:21:49 PM »
you guys have been saying that wolves were in the area for a long time...why would there be a conspiracy theory now? 

The WDFW responded to wolf sightings and got a collar in the pack.  Good for them.  We should be thrilled that they're doing something.

 :yeah:

There have been threads on here in past years where people talked about wolf sightings in the Teanaway.  I know a guy who claims to have seen one real close to there 2 or 3 years ago.  I remember my mom saying she saw a wolf on Blewett pass about 5 years ago.  I also know a guy who lives right on the Teanaway River who said he had wolves after his chickens in his yard 10 years ago. 

WDFW finally confirms a pack there and now it is a big conspiracy like they just showed up over night.   :dunno:


I think we all know there are wolves all over Washington. The frustration is how they confirm wolves. There could be 100,000 wolves in washington but until the proper authority says there have been 15 confirmed packs that have been confirmed to breed in the same place for three years it does not matter. It is the willful stupidity of our WDFW and all the wolf loving people that piss people off. There is no conspiracy, there is no paranoia. There are facts, they are just ignored.
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