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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2011, 05:30:04 PM »
I don't know what I want at this point, I'm trying to see what has been important to others in what they have-or would- do.

Not trying to be illusive, but trying to figure out why some folks made decisions they have made in the past.  That was the motivation behind posting the thread.   That's why I have posted some follow up questions as I have.  The rifles photos pictured are very nice, but without knowing the "why" behind how that rifle ended up with that person, it is just a pretty firearm. 
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2011, 05:45:29 PM »
I don't know what I want at this point, I'm trying to see what has been important to others in what they have-or would- do.

Not trying to be illusive, but trying to figure out why some folks made decisions they have made in the past.  That was the motivation behind posting the thread.   That's why I have posted some follow up questions as I have.  The rifles photos pictured are very nice, but without knowing the "why" behind how that rifle ended up with that person, it is just a pretty firearm.

338 Lapua is very exspensive to shoot. Some of the other guys were shooting 300 win mags, exspensive again. 308 isn't too bad, I don't reload and you can find ammo at: www.tacticalammunition.com One youngman was shooting a 30:06 too.
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2011, 06:19:19 PM »
i like the sako because it didnt kill the wallet to bad and is a pretty damn good shooter. im sure they all are it just depends what u wanna shoot but campmeat is right u dont have to have a huge canon to shoot long ranges there are alot of other guns that will if u have the right optics
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2011, 06:23:21 PM »
Couldn't be more than the big bore guns!  I just priced a box of five (that's five loaded shells - 5 -F  I  V  E!!) .505 Gibbs on midway for 94 bucks. Thats nearly 19 bucks each.  A box of 20 pieces of unloaded brass for the Gibbs is 121 bucks.  I can reload those for about 2 to 2.50 each.

I reload so the cost difference between a box of 308 and a box of 338 lapua is just a few dollars once the brass has been aquired.  Not too worried about reloading costs-honestly when you reload it is not too big of a deal. 

I know the 30.06/308/257 WBY Mag/1,000 other calibers can all reach out there.  But I want to build a 338 Lapua, so I am interested in thoughts around what others have done with that platform and why.   That said, the 338 edge is a comparable rifle and one I find equally interesting.

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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2011, 06:24:51 PM »
i like the sako because it didnt kill the wallet to bad and is a pretty damn good shooter. im sure they all are it just depends what u wanna shoot but campmeat is right u dont have to have a huge canon to shoot long ranges there are alot of other guns that will if u have the right optics

Cool, so you chose it for price point, and more or less OOB good shooter?  Did you do any mods to it once you got it?
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2011, 06:25:39 PM »
Any of the big 338's are expensive to shoot, the Lapua is just a little more due to the price of brass.  If you don't reload, its the only way to get into the long range 338's.

In order to get the most of out a Lapua, or any of the other choices really, is to go with a custom.  With the Lapua, a .750 diameter bolt is really the way to go.  Is it needed, no, but it raises the safety margin by a long shot.  Look at the end of your Mag bolt face, now, cut that out another .050".  That what is left over when you open the bolt for a lapua.  (Another benefit of the Edge, uses a standard mag bolt face).  28-30" barrels will give you the most performance.  Premium barrels will generally shoot better due to the quality of the barrels and the chamber being a tighter spec than factory.  This assumes that the smith did his job in the barrel setup of course.  Stocks are a matter of preference.  I prefer vertical grip style stocks for long range hunting and shooting.  They give me a more stable platform.  My recomendation is to handle a few different stocks then make your choice on what fits you.  That is what getting a custom is all about.  You design the rifle to fit you and your needs.

Now, with that being said, although I hunt ALOT with my 338 Edge, it is more than needed to hunt long range.  I wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything out to 1k with my 7 WSM using a 180 berger.  It shoots well under 1/2 moa at that range and has plenty of energy.  Our tactical match rifles are a 6mm wildcat I developed that shoots a 105 Berger at 3250fps.  Over the last few years we have won every Long Range/Tactical match we have  shot from Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, California.  We have shot them out to just past a mile and not had any problems with hitting what we were aiming at.  Its all about what you want to do.  Remember you will shoot a rifle better that you are comfortable with.
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2011, 06:35:01 PM »
nope havent done any mods to it would like to but dont have the time or money right now and the sako is a awsome shooting gun as is i know there just as good or even better out there. and yes i reload for mine and the price of reloading after the brass and all is not bad at all
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2011, 06:46:09 AM »
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2011, 07:03:07 AM »
A few of the guys we shoot with use Armalites in 338 Lapua. No mods. Leupold scopes
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2011, 01:56:25 PM »
Any of the big 338's are expensive to shoot, the Lapua is just a little more due to the price of brass.  If you don't reload, its the only way to get into the long range 338's.

In order to get the most of out a Lapua, or any of the other choices really, is to go with a custom.  With the Lapua, a .750 diameter bolt is really the way to go.  Is it needed, no, but it raises the safety margin by a long shot.  Look at the end of your Mag bolt face, now, cut that out another .050".  That what is left over when you open the bolt for a lapua.  (Another benefit of the Edge, uses a standard mag bolt face).  28-30" barrels will give you the most performance.  Premium barrels will generally shoot better due to the quality of the barrels and the chamber being a tighter spec than factory.  This assumes that the smith did his job in the barrel setup of course.  Stocks are a matter of preference.  I prefer vertical grip style stocks for long range hunting and shooting.  They give me a more stable platform.  My recomendation is to handle a few different stocks then make your choice on what fits you.  That is what getting a custom is all about.  You design the rifle to fit you and your needs.

Now, with that being said, although I hunt ALOT with my 338 Edge, it is more than needed to hunt long range.  I wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything out to 1k with my 7 WSM using a 180 berger.  It shoots well under 1/2 moa at that range and has plenty of energy.  Our tactical match rifles are a 6mm wildcat I developed that shoots a 105 Berger at 3250fps.  Over the last few years we have won every Long Range/Tactical match we have  shot from Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, California.  We have shot them out to just past a mile and not had any problems with hitting what we were aiming at.  Its all about what you want to do.  Remember you will shoot a rifle better that you are comfortable with.

Very helpful info.  on the 338 edge, how difficlut is the brass to make?  what is the process?
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2011, 02:52:21 PM »
Here is some info on the Edge:  http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/338-edge-1.php

Another good article for you:  http://longrangeshooter.com/2009/01/the-338s-rum-lapua-and-edge/

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The biggest difference in my opinion between these cartridges is reloading cost. They’ll use around the same amount of powder, and the bullets are the same, but the brass is another story. Brass for the Lapua is commonly found for around $195 for 100pc. The 338 RUM, and 338 Edge (wich uses 300 RUM brass) can be had for around $80 for 100pc. This is a big difference in reloading cost, although a straight across comparison would probably not be fair to the Lapua. It’s quite likely that the Lapua brand brass (one of only two brands currently available for the 338 Lapua) would last a couple more firings compared to the others. It’s also notable that to build a rifle in 338 lapua a standard magnum bolt face would not work, requiring a little more work by your gun smith (my smith only charged me around $30 for this, but your mileage may vary). The 338 Edge definitely gives the most bang for your buck. Some claim the Lapua is more accurate. If this has any merritt, it’s likely due to higher brass quality available for the Lapua.


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http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/338-edge-dies-70452/

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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2011, 03:09:26 PM »
http://shop.shoot-long.com/Redding-Custom-2-Die-Set-338-Edge-338-300-die-set338Edge.htm

These Redding Dies have a tapered expander button so you don't need anything special.

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They have a 338 tapered neck sizing button already installed.  No need to buy anything else, just apply a little Imperial Sizing Wax to the inside of the necks of your 300 RUM brass and run them up into the FL sizing die.  That’s it, 338 Edge brass done.
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2011, 07:16:05 AM »
Basically just run 300RUM brass into the 338 Edge FL sizing die.  When I sell guys my die sets, they include a Sinclair expanding mandrel.  It takes a little wear and tear off the decapping stem on the FL sizing die.  Not needed, but its a $20 item that makes life a little easier.  It is a very simple and easy process.
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2011, 10:57:51 AM »
Any of the big 338's are expensive to shoot, the Lapua is just a little more due to the price of brass.  If you don't reload, its the only way to get into the long range 338's.

In order to get the most of out a Lapua, or any of the other choices really, is to go with a custom.  With the Lapua, a .750 diameter bolt is really the way to go.  Is it needed, no, but it raises the safety margin by a long shot.  Look at the end of your Mag bolt face, now, cut that out another .050".  That what is left over when you open the bolt for a lapua.  (Another benefit of the Edge, uses a standard mag bolt face).  28-30" barrels will give you the most performance.  Premium barrels will generally shoot better due to the quality of the barrels and the chamber being a tighter spec than factory.  This assumes that the smith did his job in the barrel setup of course.  Stocks are a matter of preference.  I prefer vertical grip style stocks for long range hunting and shooting.  They give me a more stable platform.  My recomendation is to handle a few different stocks then make your choice on what fits you.  That is what getting a custom is all about.  You design the rifle to fit you and your needs.

Now, with that being said, although I hunt ALOT with my 338 Edge, it is more than needed to hunt long range.  I wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything out to 1k with my 7 WSM using a 180 berger.  It shoots well under 1/2 moa at that range and has plenty of energy.  Our tactical match rifles are a 6mm wildcat I developed that shoots a 105 Berger at 3250fps.  Over the last few years we have won every Long Range/Tactical match we have  shot from Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, California.  We have shot them out to just past a mile and not had any problems with hitting what we were aiming at.  Its all about what you want to do.  Remember you will shoot a rifle better that you are comfortable with.

Good post Rbros!
I have a .338 edge and love it. My next rifle will be something lighter in a 7 WSM.. I think with those two rifles you have almost anything you want to do covered :twocents:
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Re: Design a 338 Lapua-if you were going to buy one, what would it be?
« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2011, 11:47:12 AM »
They will definitely cover most needs for sure.  If I had to pick two they would be the Edge and my 6mm.  Although my WSM is growing on me and seems to be my new "go to" rifle.  But then again, I am lucky to be able to play with a bunch of different stuff  :)
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