MURRAY & CANTWELL ARE TRAITORS

[BobW]

By the way both of us are a little more old fashioned than that. All the pro this and anti that came about after the 60s and 70s and as far as I'm concerned has wrecked both parties. There used to be moderets on both sides.

ON one point you mentioned, abortion should be between the women, her doctor, and her god. You or me or the government shouldn't have one damn thing to say about it.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Frostman

I want you to know my dad in a WWII vet, and a disabled koran war vet, a life long hunter and fisherman, and a liberal. I really resent comments like "CANDY ASSED LIBERALS" he saved 14 GIs throwing a granade out of a foxhole, it took his left hand. I would like to say all he got was a silver star but hay this was the 50's.
Point is all liberals are not anti gun or anti hunting.

  As mine was USN 1934-1954 Chief gunners mate  WWII Pacific,and Korea. This is a pic of his last "Tin Can"  He also voted straight party lines. Lost him years ago. I can say with certainty that he wouldn't be voting that way now. Hell yeah I have voted for Scoop Jackson,  Maggie, and Dixie Lee Ray  (until Baghdad Jim beat her in the 1980 primary) in my time. But you will not find me voting for ANY of the three to the Left over there.
 As for this;   

 Point is all liberals are not anti gun or anti hunting.

 the people that run that party now sure seem to be.
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Obama Nominates Anti-gun Activist to Country’s Second Most Important Court
Monday, 25 July 2011 10:41

In case you were thinking that Barack Obama’s hatred of the Second Amendment was subsiding, Obama has now nominated -- to the country’s second-highest court -- an avid leader in the effort to destroy firearms manufacturers using frivolous litigation.

The nomination of Caitlin Halligan -- formerly the solicitor general of New York -- to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals would put a rabid anti-gun activist in a position where she could do maximum damage to the Second Amendment.


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 Henry M Jackson was considered a "Hawk" How many politicians with a "D" beside their name could be considered that now?

[SemperFidelis97]

By the way both of us are a little more old fashioned than that. All the pro this and anti that came about after the 60s and 70s and as far as I'm concerned has wrecked both parties. There used to be moderets on both sides.

ON one point you mentioned, abortion should be between the women, her doctor, and her god. You or me or the government shouldn't have one damn thing to say about it.

On the abortion thing I would have to strongly disagree the women made her choice at inception a child is not a choice it is a life.  If I chose to kill any human being in a civil society I would expect to be punished to the full extent of the law.  You may not consider a fetus a child that is your opinion I consider it a child the day it is concieved, and I dare say I would not want to answer to St. Peter on the murder of a defenseless child.  You may consider this a extreme point of view that loses the right votes I am of the opinion murder of the most innocent, and defenseless in our society is a travesty.  I too served my country murder is not a right I signed on to protect.

[b.roberts]

I don't post here much, and this kind of thing is why. I researched this a couple years ago. This is intended to make it hard on terrorists. The UN cannot change our constitution. A little digging on the internet and you would find this out also. They are not going to take our guns and any orginization that tries to tell you other wise is trying to make a little hay for themselves.  Flame on guys.

You are probably right not worrying about this since it isn't going to get ratified in the senate.  However,  a signed and ratified treaty is equal to the constitution as far as jurisprudence is concerned.  If a treaty were passed that violated a portion of our constitution, the treaty would probably supercede the constitution.

[Machias]

By the way both of us are a little more old fashioned than that. All the pro this and anti that came about after the 60s and 70s and as far as I'm concerned has wrecked both parties. There used to be moderets on both sides.

ON one point you mentioned, abortion should be between the women, her doctor, and her god. You or me or the government shouldn't have one damn thing to say about it.

I saw a good bumper sticker, had a photo of a baby and a photo of a baby seal and said guess which one is protected.  Sure the doc, the woman and God have a say, I guess in your world the baby has no say?      

[frostman]

Frostman

I want you to know my dad in a WWII vet, and a disabled koran war vet, a life long hunter and fisherman, and a liberal. I really resent comments like "CANDY ASSED LIBERALS" he saved 14 GIs throwing a granade out of a foxhole, it took his left hand. I would like to say all he got was a silver star but hay this was the 50's.
Point is all liberals are not anti gun or anti hunting.

I have the utmost respect for all who have served this Great Country of ours and I truly believe that your Dad and all who have laid their lives on the line for me and you are what makes this country great.

That being said, I stand by my tag line of "liberalism is a mental disorder".

Notice also that I also stress "vote out all incumbents, always." The overall problem with our representative government is we do not have term limits, so we get career politicians. Their only goal is to keep power. They keep power by continually promising gifts from the teasury for people who are unproductive. This is liberalism. Jefferson (my favorite liberal) warned of this 200 plus years ago

The only ones who truly deserve these gifts are men like your father! People who have sacrificed for our freedom.

God Bless you and your Dad.

[frostman]

In my county ther is a local offical that is a Democrat but conservative... I would say in the Scoop Jackson mindset.. He would have run as a republican but there is no a republican could get enough votes in the Valley... Republicans either need to take a few steps down the slippery slope to get elected, or really get thier cat together and really sell the people on why our state needs them... I think republicans rely too much no being RIGHT on the issues and don't take the time to educate people on why they are right... The republicans job is a harder never ending job. 

Dude, this would mean that we would have to get people to pay attention and think. Good luck.

I do agree though. The Scoop Dems were all part of the whole "Great Society" in the '60's (failed liberal tripe). They were the first ones to really start bringing the federal money to their states. Scoop and Maggie were good at this and around here it was put to pretty good use for a long time.

Me thinks the teet is running dry.

[BobW]

I don't get on here much and I know this is moving away from the topic. But I should make it clear, I feel abortion is a horrible thing,but the same way we don't want lib's coming into our homes and taking our guns, I don't want the government or anyone else telling me how my family or I should live.

It is a choice and it should be made by the people that are the most aware of the situation.

Anymore both parties are more and more the same. It's all about imposing beliefs on others. If you don't want to own a gun, then don't.  If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Stop telling others how to live their lives.

That would be smaller government.

[Machias]

Really your equating owning a gun to deciding whether you want to KILL another Human being....REALLY?

[pianoman9701]

How did a conversation on our 2nd Amendment rights and the UN turn into a debate on abortion? Two different topics where people can agree with either and not the other, or both. The gun debate is interesting and related to our forum. The abortion thing is just going to keep us at each other's throats. 

[Machias]

Sorry   

[pianoman9701]

Sorry   

Gotcha, Sir. All's good. 

[BobW]

I think it was started by me.... I was trying to make a point, unsuccessfuly I guess. So for my last comment on this. You are correct, I think a womens RIGHT to chose is no more or less important than your or my right to own guns.

[pianoman9701]

I think it was started by me.... I was trying to make a point, unsuccessfuly I guess. So for my last comment on this. You are correct, I think a womens RIGHT to chose is no more or less important than your or my right to own guns.

Actually, you may think what you wish, but a woman's right to choice it's less according to law. The right to bear arms is in our Constitution. Roe V Wade could easily be overturned with a new Supreme Court battle. On the other hand, the 2nd Amendment stays unless a constitutional amendment is passed and ratified by the states, or a Constitutional convention is held to re-write the entire document. This would also need to be ratified by the states.

But again, the discussion here has to do with guns, the Constitution, and the UN; not abortion. I think we can all agree that politicians who want to pick and choose which of our rights they wish to protect are not only terrible Constitutional scholars, but a great danger to the future of our society as we know and love it.

[Special T]

Frostman... If we argueing the difference between Scoop or Dixie lee Ray and some Republican it would be an entirely different kind of discussion.  My family is pretty Republican in its voting history, however they did vote for both... I think the major difference in our current democrates and ones like Scoop and Dixie is that "Investment" in our future has some kind of tangleable, measurable affect.. They were defintly on the slippery slope that has brought us to where we are today, and didn't stop the slide...
I think that is the major problem with ALL politicains is that it is easy for them to kick the can down the road so that they can pass on making hard decsions...