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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #105 on: August 31, 2011, 10:39:05 AM »
I have plenty of common sense.  And I realize that taking the effort to spell correctly and attempting to use proper punctuation is not a waste of time.  Criticizing others for pointing out your ludicrous spelling mistakes is a waste of effort.  Your mistakes reflect poorly on you and show a lack of effort.  This is something you will hopefully realize as you mature

 :chuckle:  :chuckle:  stop hurting my feelings man.  LOL  :chuckle:  I MOSTLY PUT MY EFFORT INTO GETTING MY POINT ACROSS, AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH UUNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M SAYING.  BUT JUST FOR YOUR SAKE,... THE WOLVES WERE INTRODUCED IN IDAHO THE STATE JUST TO THE EAST OF US (WASHINGTON). 

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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #106 on: August 31, 2011, 10:52:57 AM »
here's some links to wiki. i know its not a reliable source,  but i don't have time right now to search for more reliable sources,  maybe later i will.

i over estimated the weight difference a little bit,  but there still is quite a difference in size.

also notice the part where it says that the rocky mountain wolves have recover quite a bit do to the wolf recovery plan (putting in a whole different subspecies of wolf)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_Valley_Wolf

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Mackenzie Valley WolfFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
Not to be confused with Alaskan Wolf.
Mackenzie Wolf
 
Conservation status
Least Concern
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: C. lupus
Subspecies: C. l. occidentalis
Trinomial name
Canis lupus occidentalis
Richardson, 1829
 
Mackenzie Valley wolf range (green)
Synonyms
sticte (Richardson, 1829)
ater (Richardson, 1829)[1]
 

The Mackenzie Valley Wolf (Canis lupus occidentalis) also known as the Canadian Timber Wolf is perhaps the largest subspecies of Gray Wolf in North America. Its range includes parts of the western United States, much of western Canada, and Alaska, including Unimak Island in the Aleutians, and was introduced into Yellowstone National Park and central Idaho.[2] The subspecies has since spread into other states, such as Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Northern California, Colorado, & Utah. [3]

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1 Anatomy
2 Social behaviour
3 Diet
4 Hunting
5 Current status and history
6 References
7 External links
8 Gallery
 

[edit] Anatomy
A Mackenzie Valley Wolf in Yellowstone.Mackenzie Valley Wolves typically stand about 32–36 inches (81–95 cm) at the shoulder and males weigh between 100 and 145 pounds (45–65 kg).[4] The record is held by a wild wolf caught in Alaska in 1939 which weighed 175 pounds.[5]

The Mackenzie Valley Wolf's thick, long limbs are proportionally built for traversing through rough terrain such as deep snow or the cliffy edges of the Rocky Mountains. Its deep chest hosts large lungs, letting the wolf breathe more efficiently at higher altitudes, and allowing it to exert huge amounts of stamina traveling up to 115 km (~70 miles) in one day. Its powerful neck is a very important adaptation; it has to be strong to support the wolf's large head and is crucial for bringing down prey. The Mackenzie Valley Wolf maximizes heat retention through such methods as using its bushy tail to cover its exposed nose during the winter. It sheds its undercoat during the summer months due to the hotter conditions.

The skull is 31 cm (12 inches) long and is armed with an impressive array of large canines and carnassial teeth which, when coupled with huge jaw muscles that are evident from the large sagittal crest and wide zygomatic arches, give it an incredible biteforce that is strong enough to break the bones of prey and even crack the femur of moose.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_lupus_irremotus

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Northern Rocky Mountains WolfFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  (Redirected from Canis lupus irremotus)
Jump to: navigation, search
Not to be confused with Southern Rocky Mountains Wolf.
Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf
 
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: C. lupus
Subspecies: C. l. irremotus
Trinomial name
Canis lupus irremotus
Goldman, 1937

The Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf (Canis lupus irremotus[1][2][3]), also known as the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf,[4] is a subspecies of the gray wolf, Canis lupus, that is primarily found in the northern portion of the Rocky Mountains and the states and provinces surrounding the region.[5] The subspecies was initially listed as Endangered on March 9, 1978, but had the classification removed in the year 2000 due to the effects of the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery Plan.[6][7] On August 6, 2010, the Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf was ordered to be returned under Endangered Species Act protections by U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy in a decision overturning a previous ruling by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.[8]

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1 Physiology
1.1 Description
1.2 Dietary habits
2 History
2.1 The Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery Plan
2.2 Policy Changes for the ESA
3 References
4 External links
 

[edit] Physiology[edit] DescriptionThis subspecies generally weighs 70–135 pounds (32–61 kg), making it one of the largest subspecies of the gray wolf in existence.[9] It is a lighter colored animal than its southern brethren, the Southern Rocky Mountains Wolf, with a coat that includes far more white and less black. In general, the subspecies favors lighter colors, with black mixing in among them



The Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery PlanThe Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery Plan was first approved in 1980, though it was then revised later on in 1987. The plan required a certain population of Northern Rocky Mountains wolves to reside in the area inside and around Yellowstone, which included at least ten breeding pairs, and for the population to remain stable for at least three consecutive years.[11][12] However, the Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf was not, at the time of the initial drafting, recognized as a legitimate subspecies, so the wolves involved in the plan were instead the Great Plains Wolf and the Mackenzie Valley Wolf.[13] The overall reason for this was because the stated two subspecies of wolf roamed in the same general area as the Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf and because the plan covered the reintroduction of wolves into the area in general. For this reason, the more plentiful subspecies' were chosen to be trans-located, so as to not upset the balance in the areas they would be taken from.[14]

In response to concerns about wolves being allowed to run free in the area, killing livestock without any allowed repercussions, the final draft of the plan, completed on November 22, 1994, outlined that ranchers were allowed to kill wolves if they were "caught in the act of killing livestock on private property."[6]

In three lawsuits combined as Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation v. Babbitt, opponents of re-introduction argued that the re-introduced wolves threatened wolves that might already inhabit the area, while supporters argued against the experimental desigination and for fully protected status. District Court Judge William F. Downes ruled that the re-introduction violated section 10(j) of the Endangered Species Act, however, this ruling was overturned by the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals.[6][7][15


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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #107 on: August 31, 2011, 11:34:25 AM »
Ask the Idaho fish and game what happened to the states remaining timber  wolves after the apperance of canadian wolves.
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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #108 on: August 31, 2011, 02:51:37 PM »
here's some links to wiki. i know its not a reliable source,  but i don't have time right now to search for more reliable sources,  maybe later i will.

i over estimated the weight difference a little bit,  but there still is quite a difference in size.

also notice the part where it says that the rocky mountain wolves have recover quite a bit do to the wolf recovery plan (putting in a whole different subspecies of wolf)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_Valley_Wolf

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Mackenzie Valley WolfFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
Not to be confused with Alaskan Wolf.
Mackenzie Wolf
 
Conservation status
Least Concern
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: C. lupus
Subspecies: C. l. occidentalis
Trinomial name
Canis lupus occidentalis
Richardson, 1829
 
Mackenzie Valley wolf range (green)
Synonyms
sticte (Richardson, 1829)
ater (Richardson, 1829)[1]
 

The Mackenzie Valley Wolf (Canis lupus occidentalis) also known as the Canadian Timber Wolf is perhaps the largest subspecies of Gray Wolf in North America. Its range includes parts of the western United States, much of western Canada, and Alaska, including Unimak Island in the Aleutians, and was introduced into Yellowstone National Park and central Idaho.[2] The subspecies has since spread into other states, such as Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Northern California, Colorado, & Utah. [3]

Contents [hide]
1 Anatomy
2 Social behaviour
3 Diet
4 Hunting
5 Current status and history
6 References
7 External links
8 Gallery
 

[edit] Anatomy
A Mackenzie Valley Wolf in Yellowstone.Mackenzie Valley Wolves typically stand about 32–36 inches (81–95 cm) at the shoulder and males weigh between 100 and 145 pounds (45–65 kg).[4] The record is held by a wild wolf caught in Alaska in 1939 which weighed 175 pounds.[5]

The Mackenzie Valley Wolf's thick, long limbs are proportionally built for traversing through rough terrain such as deep snow or the cliffy edges of the Rocky Mountains. Its deep chest hosts large lungs, letting the wolf breathe more efficiently at higher altitudes, and allowing it to exert huge amounts of stamina traveling up to 115 km (~70 miles) in one day. Its powerful neck is a very important adaptation; it has to be strong to support the wolf's large head and is crucial for bringing down prey. The Mackenzie Valley Wolf maximizes heat retention through such methods as using its bushy tail to cover its exposed nose during the winter. It sheds its undercoat during the summer months due to the hotter conditions.

The skull is 31 cm (12 inches) long and is armed with an impressive array of large canines and carnassial teeth which, when coupled with huge jaw muscles that are evident from the large sagittal crest and wide zygomatic arches, give it an incredible biteforce that is strong enough to break the bones of prey and even crack the femur of moose.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_lupus_irremotus

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Northern Rocky Mountains WolfFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  (Redirected from Canis lupus irremotus)
Jump to: navigation, search
Not to be confused with Southern Rocky Mountains Wolf.
Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf
 
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: C. lupus
Subspecies: C. l. irremotus
Trinomial name
Canis lupus irremotus
Goldman, 1937

The Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf (Canis lupus irremotus[1][2][3]), also known as the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf,[4] is a subspecies of the gray wolf, Canis lupus, that is primarily found in the northern portion of the Rocky Mountains and the states and provinces surrounding the region.[5] The subspecies was initially listed as Endangered on March 9, 1978, but had the classification removed in the year 2000 due to the effects of the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery Plan.[6][7] On August 6, 2010, the Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf was ordered to be returned under Endangered Species Act protections by U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy in a decision overturning a previous ruling by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.[8]

Contents [hide]
1 Physiology
1.1 Description
1.2 Dietary habits
2 History
2.1 The Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery Plan
2.2 Policy Changes for the ESA
3 References
4 External links
 

[edit] Physiology[edit] DescriptionThis subspecies generally weighs 70–135 pounds (32–61 kg), making it one of the largest subspecies of the gray wolf in existence.[9] It is a lighter colored animal than its southern brethren, the Southern Rocky Mountains Wolf, with a coat that includes far more white and less black. In general, the subspecies favors lighter colors, with black mixing in among them



The Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery PlanThe Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf Recovery Plan was first approved in 1980, though it was then revised later on in 1987. The plan required a certain population of Northern Rocky Mountains wolves to reside in the area inside and around Yellowstone, which included at least ten breeding pairs, and for the population to remain stable for at least three consecutive years.[11][12] However, the Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf was not, at the time of the initial drafting, recognized as a legitimate subspecies, so the wolves involved in the plan were instead the Great Plains Wolf and the Mackenzie Valley Wolf.[13] The overall reason for this was because the stated two subspecies of wolf roamed in the same general area as the Northern Rocky Mountains Wolf and because the plan covered the reintroduction of wolves into the area in general. For this reason, the more plentiful subspecies' were chosen to be trans-located, so as to not upset the balance in the areas they would be taken from.[14]

In response to concerns about wolves being allowed to run free in the area, killing livestock without any allowed repercussions, the final draft of the plan, completed on November 22, 1994, outlined that ranchers were allowed to kill wolves if they were "caught in the act of killing livestock on private property."[6]

In three lawsuits combined as Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation v. Babbitt, opponents of re-introduction argued that the re-introduced wolves threatened wolves that might already inhabit the area, while supporters argued against the experimental desigination and for fully protected status. District Court Judge William F. Downes ruled that the re-introduction violated section 10(j) of the Endangered Species Act, however, this ruling was overturned by the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals.[6][7][15

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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #109 on: August 31, 2011, 06:06:18 PM »
I have plenty of common sense.  And I realize that taking the effort to spell correctly and attempting to use proper punctuation is not a waste of time.  Criticizing others for pointing out your ludicrous spelling mistakes is a waste of effort.  Your mistakes reflect poorly on you and show a lack of effort.  This is something you will hopefully realize as you mature
Hey, uh, you forgot a period at your last sentence.  :sas:
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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #110 on: August 31, 2011, 06:34:29 PM »
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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #111 on: August 31, 2011, 07:12:35 PM »
The wolves taking the weak and sick is a generalization about as truthful as forest fire burning the weak and sick trees.  The way an increased wolf population will probably work is that the wolves will exhaust the prey species in one area then move on to another.  That pattern would fit better with the Lewis & Clark record.

This pattern should be acceptable to anyone that does not mind vast swaths of our region barren of wildlife.  I suppose I'm a bit selfish in this regard, but I like having the wildlife around all the time.  Rather than overloading the area with wolves and play the "let's see what happens" game.  Why not manage them from the start? 

We can have a few wolves here and there for people that like wolves that they see on TV.  For the people thinking of trained wolves that eat pieces of bacon or howl on queue for the director, wolves with cute doggie names like Two Socks, other wolf lore.  I notice the packs are getting cutsie names ("Druid Pack" is outright corny) a stark contrast to the more scientifically-mature yet functional names given to orca pods like J, K, and L.  Apart from the fantasy, I'd like the wildlife to be managed with a serious mind and attention to sustainability both scientific and financial.

Our state is nowhere near reaching a goal like that.

It is always the women wearing Birkenstocks, a  crystal "channeling" necklace  and hairy armpits that come up with these ridiculous names for these non-native wolf packs :chuckle:

 knocker of rocks  do you own a pair of Birkenstocks? :tung:

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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #112 on: August 31, 2011, 07:14:56 PM »
Is it OK with your man that you use his computer?

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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #113 on: August 31, 2011, 08:29:51 PM »
   :bash: I put my notes on my post deployment pack out but there is a link on the Idaho fish and game that will take you to the group that reintroduced the wolves and it tells you they where released in the frank chruch wilderness. Savetheelk.com also has great info on our side of the battle as well as ways to get involved. 
Rock knocker i think there is a rule that says you have to have five stars to correct grammar  :IBCOOL:

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Re: talked to a biologist today who said we need wolves
« Reply #114 on: September 04, 2011, 09:56:21 AM »
Ask the Idaho fish and game what happened to the states remaining timber  wolves after the apperance of canadian wolves.
 :'(

 And what will happen to ours when the bigger ones get here. Then we will have true extinction, due to "the man" playing GOD.
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