Anybody Else Dying to Know the Raffle Results!!!

[cjensen]

I assume the "illegal" activity could have been selling tickets over the phone to an out-of-stater that didnt want to drive up here and buy the tickets.  They're probably trying to figure out whether or not to count their tickets as legit or give him a refund or keep the money but make is so that they cant win even if drawn.   It is more than a week later than the results came out last year so there must be some kind of hang up.      

[tlake]

Or charging a fee to buy tickets for other people.

[Elkaholic daWg]

  There was a thread here earlier this summer regarding  an outfit  coming in, buying a BUNCH to be sold to out of stater's later.

 There it is - page 19 of general discussion.


http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79454.0.html

[Huntnphish]

 I would also like to know how raffle tickets, for hunts, differ by law than special permits. Either way you are spending money on a gamble to get a tag, how are permits not considered gambling but raffle tickets are and cant be sold online?

[boneaddict]

I think its an odds thing.  If EVERYONE has the same exact chance, then it is not considered gambling, or something like that.   I know it sounds stupid, but when offereing a contest at one time for the family business, we had to make modifications so that it wasn't gambling.

[cjensen]

I think it is different than putting in for special permits because you can invest an unlimited amount in the raffle. I guess they see that it falls under what could be more closely considered gambling.   There are people every year that spend $10,000 and get nothing for it.    Personally, I think that their restrictions keep the honest guys from buying the tickets.  If someone is such a gambling addict that they risk blowing all their money on a chance to get a hunt, then they'll find their way down to a store to buy the tickets.  The guy who wants to spend 30 dollars on a couple tickets is affected the most.    

I was hoping that they would sell significantly less this year because of the new regulations to increase my odds....we'll see...   

[slim9300]

I think it is different than putting in for special permits because you can invest an unlimited amount in the raffle. I guess they see that it falls under what could be more closely considered gambling.   There are people every year that spend $10,000 and get nothing for it.    Personally, I think that their restrictions keep the honest guys from buying the tickets.  If someone is such a gambling addict that they risk blowing all their money on a chance to get a hunt, then they'll find their way down to a store to buy the tickets.  The guy who wants to spend 30 dollars on a couple tickets is affected the most.    

I was hoping that they would sell significantly less this year because of the new regulations to increase my odds....we'll see...

I'm pretty sure they did. The numbers are in this link.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/

[cem3434]

Yeah, but they never updated it after the 18th.  I know that our entire group waited until the last day and between 6 of us, we dropped over $1500 on tickets.  Most of them were for deer, elk and moose. I am sure that many others did the same thing and procrastinated until the deadline.

[YellowDog]

I think it is different than putting in for special permits because you can invest an unlimited amount in the raffle. I guess they see that it falls under what could be more closely considered gambling.   There are people every year that spend $10,000 and get nothing for it.    Personally, I think that their restrictions keep the honest guys from buying the tickets.  If someone is such a gambling addict that they risk blowing all their money on a chance to get a hunt, then they'll find their way down to a store to buy the tickets.  The guy who wants to spend 30 dollars on a couple tickets is affected the most.    

I was hoping that they would sell significantly less this year because of the new regulations to increase my odds....we'll see...

How in the world does it keep the "honest" guys from buying tickets.  Because they have to go to a dealer to buy them?  Do only dishonest guys go to dealers to buy tickets?  Makes no sense.

And your odds are better this year but I think the best odds were in some of the multi species raffles 

[Elkaholic daWg]

Yeah, but they never updated it after the 18th.  I know that our entire group waited until the last day and between 6 of us, we dropped over $1500 on tickets.  Most of them were for deer, elk and moose. I am sure that many others did the same thing and procrastinated until the deadline.

 I saw the numbers changing right up 'till the last day, but didn't see this...

Number of raffle tickets purchased as of:
July 18, 2011 9:00 pm

 Is it the numbers or just the date that didn't get updated. We waited untill last day also

[cjensen]

What I meant was that having to go down to the store to buy the tickets may end up keeping the regular guys who might spend a little bit of money from buying the tickets.  I think several guys have bought them online in years past cause it was convenient.  Now more guys will forget or just never make it to the store...hence the significant drop in ticket sales (unless Cem is correct and everybody runs to the store at the last second).    My point is that I doubt having to go down to the store will keep any of the "problem gamblers" that the new regulations are targeting from spending all their money anyway.   

By "honest", I simply meant the people that dont have a gambling problem.   I shouldnt have used the word honest or dishonest, but then again I didnt realize that there were people out there that were so bored they would like to start a technical argument over this issue for the sake of typing. 

[slim9300]

Updates? Anyone work for Fish and Game? =)

[trophyhunt]

I called to talk to them about it but was put on hold for over 5 minutes.  Can't wait that long at work, maby someone out there has time to call and ask them about it?

[Pathfinder101]

Here's how it goes:
You call
You ask "Raffle Tags been drawn yet?"
WDFW says "No"  (they will say this up to the point that the results post online).

or

You call
You ask "Raffle Tags been drawn yet?"
WDFW says "Hold Please".
WDFW goes to answer the other 2,349 calls coming in asking "Raffle Tags been drawn yet?"
You fall asleep or starve to death

Anyone ever had anything different happen?

[trophyhunt]

That's true, I was mostly calling to see if there was any truth to the controversy about the raffle tickets being sold to the out of state magazine subscribers.