fishing deep with weight restrictions and proper fish handling ?

[Coasthunterjay]

Sounds like you need some downriggers.  I'm not sure what test line you use, but I mooch for salmon with 12 lb. line and 2 oz lead and get down  no problem. Not sure how that will work trolling though.
MS

IF you have current to work with, I would do as MuleySniper suggests and troll vertically while mooching, allowing the current to provide trolling speed. Let your bait to sink to around 100 feet and jig it while slowely retreaving.
This covers both horizontal and vertical planes.

on crescent you can only use artificial and if im fishing for the beardlee trout i figure something like a spoon aught to work the best, but it cant be a weighted spoon.

and i have 50 yrds of 18 lbs lead core line with another 50 yrds of 20 lbs power pro already.....

can i jig a spoon deep and still be sucessful?

[Coasthunterjay]

Virtually impossible to troll at that depth with those restrictions.  Jiggin it would be your best or as Jack and I plan to do someday.  Chironimid with a long leader.  

chironomid? isnt that a fly?

im already using a 30 yrd leader? how much longer do i need to go? and i figure im on the 40 ft range now give or take 10 ft......

[Coasthunterjay]

you can definitely hit 90 feet with leadcore and 2oz weight. I know this is how a couple locals do very well up there, if I can find the article I'll scan it for you. Slow, slow, slow.

Do tell please....thanks that is what im looking for!
 
A plug trolls well at slow speeds

like a flat fish or like a spoon , what type of plug? ? ?

. Jigging is also worth a try but trolling will work, though these guys put days in for each fish, it's not a fishery that lends itself to impatience.

Deffinantly got patience and usually i just troll! just had to learn how to handle fish better, now im learning and hopefully soon ill be catching, even if its only one fish ! ! ! now that i know how special those fish are i think it would be an honor to catdch and release one and be able to tell about it.....kind of cool if i dont say so myself!

thanks guys keep the info comming.....but remember i cant use anymore than 2 oz....thats including the jig, lure, or down rigger thats getting me down there......

and as far as i was told downriggers are not allowed.....and im not sure if they make deep 6 gear that small.......maybe they do though, ill look into it, and see what the benefit would be!



maybe jackelope or bone can tell me! can i catch those trout at 40 plus feet or do i still need to get deeper? would it benefit me to use a heavier pound lead core line to get deeper? or maybe use a flat fish versus a spoon, or maybe a single hooked rapala style lure? something that fishes deeper like a diver?

[robodad]

Jay, I dug up a little information you may want to read and maybe change your plans on trying to catch one of these fish, They are in deep trouble according to this article !!

http://www.washingtontrout.org/crescent.shtml

[MooseStock]

Try vertical jigging with a salmon jig like a dunginess stinger or a Pt. Wilson Dart. You can easily get to 90 ft on the lake doing that. If the wind is blowing you just run your kicker in reverse and stay over the top of the jig....you can even count out the 90 ft. I pretty much only fish jigs for salmon and do very well and even with the currents I only use 4 oz jigs and I have caught salmon off the humps in Port Angeles at 300 ft on the bottom. Just make use of your kicker in the reverse mode. Good Luck....I have wanted to try the jigs myself in Lake Wash for the big Cutts but haven't got around to it..........Les

[Coasthunterjay]

Jay, I dug up a little information you may want to read and maybe change your plans on trying to catch one of these fish, They are in deep trouble according to this article !!

http://www.washingtontrout.org/crescent.shtml

i understand, But am still going to.....as long as fish and wildlife says its ok, and i catch it in the means that they put for me i am going to.......

thats why imtrying to do it legally!

But thanks allen.

[jackelope]

yeah that link was posted in the nuked thread also.

i think these fish hang on the bottom. thats what i know. if the bottom is 40', then they will be at 40'. i would suspect that with colder water temps, they will probably be a little shallower.

The new rules are designed to protect Lake Crescent’s population of Beardslee rainbow trout, which has declined to a critically low level. Beardslee trout are a unique form of rainbow trout, native to Lake Crescent, and found nowhere else on earth. They spawn in late winter and early spring in only one small area of the Lyre River, near the outlet of the lake. Washington Trout conducted independent spawning surveys on the Lyre this past spring and found alarming evidence of very low numbers of spawning fish, indicating that the population has experienced a severe decline. This evidence was supported by counts made by Park Service crews that officially counted only 35 spawning redds (slightly higher than WT’s count), the lowest number since official redd counts were begun in 1989.

[robodad]

I was not implying you do something illegal, just letting you know that these fish are extremely fragile and to be super careful with the one you catch and release.

I know you will do the right thing !!

Sorry didn't get to read all of the nuked thread before it blew up !!!

[Coasthunterjay]

noow that i have been overly educated on how to handle a fish, i will more than make sure it is carfully treated, get a new rubbernet, and a glove....

But as for now.....i need deep talk.....and i need 100 ft deep.....im getting half that.....

[jackelope]

http://www.lakemichiganangler.com/store/Copper_Wire_Fishing_Line.htm

it's popular on the great lakes...it requires special rods or rod tips at a minimum and a reel.
you should have 600' of wire to reach 100' depth

[Coasthunterjay]

hum, lbs for lbs, it doesnt look like im getting any more distance out of that copper versus my lead core....my leadcore says the same thing....?

would a diver of some kind work jackelope? or do you think that wil just scare fish? kind of hard to attach a diver without it being close to your lure?

[jackelope]

how much weight will be on it if you are talking about a dipsey diver type? they are weighted you know.
you could put a lure as far away from the diver as you want, but you will lose control of the depth of your lure if you are too far away.
the wire sinks faster and has a lot less resistance in the water than the lead core because of a much thinner diameter. i have never fished with either lead core or copper wire, so i couldn't tell you which works better.
the weight restrictions are in place to make it as difficult as possible for you to get to the depths these fish hang at. go into this knowing that you will likely fish for more than 1 day to catch 1 fish. if you were upset with your day of 2 trout and a koke the other day, you are in for a long day doing this right.

[Coasthunterjay]

deffinantly not upset! im actually mmore intreged as to trying to figure out different ways to go deeper.....

i think i might invent something.....been thinking about it, and my idea might work, just got to make it work........

if i use a deep 6 style, no more than 2 ounces.....

the mas you can use is 2 so that will be it.....no added weight, but if i can find a non weighted diver....and then run my weight, then aedd a diver plug, maybe ill get it to 100 ft......ill do what ever it takes......and im in no hurry!

[Dman]

 You might try and target the Crescenti Cutthroat, they are more numerous in Crescent and still get large.

[Alchase]

Yes, you can use a diving plug "if it is not weighted" That can add between 10-20 feet to your depth. We use to use a 4 in - 6 in rapala (with weight though) for Mackinaw.