30-06 for deer and elk: 165 or 180 grain bullets?

[Miles]

Josh, talking like that is not going to help get this thread to its required 10 page mark.

[high country]

Why no love for the 168gr?


That should help.

[BOWHUNTER45]

remington core lokt's are one of the few factory loads i can get for a 7x64 so i was considering giving them a try..... unil i found some nice hornady's for the same price.

i could probably add 4 more pages........ remington sucks, ruger sucks, winchester sucks, mariners suck, and leupold has 3rd rate glass. 
[/quote  hahahaha Core lokts definately suck  just like shooting a granade ...it just blows sheet to pieces

[jackelope]

Sticking with the thread topic and attempting to bring us into the 5 page status, I'll recomend alternating the rounds in your rifle.
 
Chamber the 165 grain, then follow it up with a 180, then 160, then 180, etc...

It's the best of both worlds.

Rotate softs and solids too? Or no need to worry about that with bucks and bulls...maybe only if they're in the rut and a little unpredictable?

[shootem]

165s are faster and shoot flatter. 180s hold more energy down range. Unless you are shooting more than 400 yards at huge elk you won't see the difference. Find a premium bullet your gun likes and spend your time at the range getting comfortable shooting it. All them critters will die if you hit em well with either.

[Bean Counter]

I am no 06 fan but I would go with the 180  it seems to drop sheet better than the lighter bullets .....at least a few of my 06 buddies tell me !

not a 06 fan Thats just not american

+1

.. the 'aught six'....the cartridge that helped win the great war. 

God bless America.
...

[Bean Counter]

In the 06 trajectory difference between 165 and 180 is virtually zero. The 180 is better at long ranges. I'd use the 180 if my rifle shot them well.
Carl

I shoot the cheap Federal Power Shok's from my .30-06. I've posted the same question regarding 150 grain vs 180 grain. I was surprised to read on Federal's website that the difference in trajectory at 300 yards, with a 200 yard zero, is less than an inch. It was only three inches at four hundred yards. After learning this I will slowly deplete my 150 grain supply on dogs and target practice and will exclusively run a 180 grain inventory from now on.

To the 'cheap' haters, I'll say this: The farthest I can shoot at my range is 550 yards. Last week I was shooting these cheap rounds, from an old Ruger M77, with a basic Leupold duplex reticle scope and no bipod, hitting an iron disc with a 12" radius 3 shots out of 4. Talk all you want about 'bullet design' but to me the round obviously has decent aero dynamics and consistent powder charge.

There  ... That should keep it going 

[shabbydu]

Here is some love for 168, I like  Winchester 168 gr. Supreme Ballistic Silvertip...shoots true for my Remington 700 BDL

[Curly]

To the 'cheap' haters, I'll say this: The farthest I can shoot at my range is 550 yards. Last week I was shooting these cheap rounds, from an old Ruger M77, with a basic Leupold duplex reticle scope and no bipod, hitting an iron disc with a 12" radius 3 shots out of 4. Talk all you want about 'bullet design' but to me the round obviously has decent aero dynamics and consistent powder charge.

There  ... That should keep it going 

Well, the "cheap" bullets usually shoot very accurately, just don't hold together so well once hitting game.  So, when going with Remington Core-lokt, Fed Power Shok, or Winchester Power Points, you just have to be aware that the bullet may not hold together.  So, what you need to do is: 1)shoot heavy for caliber bullets so that the impact velocity will be slower 2) shoot heavy for caliber bullets so that there is more weight available for penetration after the bullet sheds 50% of its weight, and 3) make sure that your shot placement is right on; (double lung, or head/neck).

[BOWHUNTER45]

hahaha lets go for 6 ...what is weird about all of this is every caliper has its own type of round and we all have our favorite bullets for these cal. and no matter what they all seem to kill ...I had a friend who I hunted bear with and when we first starting hunting together he told me to take that .270 and put it in the closet  because HE had to shoot bears more than once on several acassions.....and when I was dropping them like a bad habit he could not believe it ....he was shooting 130 gr bullets and I was shooting hornaday 140 gr bullets ....I seriously believe its the hornaday bullets myself... they just spank sheet plus they hold together when hitting bone....O.k So now about my friend ..after all his beaching about a .270 for bear what does he do ? He goes and buys a 25-06 and is now shooting it for bear ...he has killed a couple with it now and he his using a 117 gr hornaday bullet and I just LMAO about that one now  Another opinion I have is that when using magnum cal. or say 30 cal. I just think the heavier bullets do a better job /// yeah we all love speed but those lighter bullets blow up quicker on impact when shot out of those bigger guns 

[high country]

I heard a 150 will bounce right off and a 180 will plow tip to stern. It has to be the extra 30 grains....makes pretty good sense as it is an extra 3/700th of a pound.

[Curly]

I heard a 150 will bounce right off and a 180 will plow tip to stern. It has to be the extra 30 grains....makes pretty good sense as it is an extra 3/700th of a pound.

Nope, I think you heard wrong.  The extra 0.000002 Tons for the 180 gr causes it to be slow enough out of the 30-06 that bullet doesn't disintegrate like the faster 150 gr might (with a Core-Lokt type bullet anyway). 

Now if we're talking bonded bullets or solid copper bullets, then the 150gr could be a good choice.....

[addicted]

I heard a 150 will bounce right off and a 180 will plow tip to stern. It has to be the extra 30 grains....makes pretty good sense as it is an extra 3/700th of a pound.

Nope, I think you heard wrong.  The extra 0.000002 Tons for the 180 gr causes it to be slow enough out of the 30-06 that bullet doesn't disintegrate like the faster 150 gr might (with a Core-Lokt type bullet anyway). 

Now if we're talking bonded bullets or solid copper bullets, then the 150gr could be a good choice.....

if you want a quick kill, it's gotta be a tracer.

[high country]

I heard a 150 will bounce right off and a 180 will plow tip to stern. It has to be the extra 30 grains....makes pretty good sense as it is an extra 3/700th of a pound.

Nope, I think you heard wrong.  The extra 0.000002 Tons for the 180 gr causes it to be slow enough out of the 30-06 that bullet doesn't disintegrate like the faster 150 gr might (with a Core-Lokt type bullet anyway). 

Now if we're talking bonded bullets or solid copper bullets, then the 150gr could be a good choice.....

I forgot that the 100fps difference was the difference between retension and disintegration. 

[Curly]

I forgot that the 100fps difference was the difference between retension and disintegration.

Should be closer to a 200 fps difference between the 150 and 180.

Maybe I was unlucky and shot a deer with titanium ribs, but the 150gr Core-lokt blew apart after hitting that rib on the way in.  I won't use 150gr Core-Lokts in the -06.  I read somewhere that those type of bullets should be limited to around 2800 fps MV..........