Opening a can of worms (Team Mossback)

[Knocker of rocks]

Jack,

I think the incident with a gun being pointed at AC occured in Utah.  But I concur with your premise

[Huntbear]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Maybe we can come up with a solution to these jerks....  by combining this thread with the tannerite thread..   

[runamuk]

I know the money supposedly goes not to the general fund but as many times as we have been told monies went one place only to find out later they had been sucked into the empty void that is the general fund I figured it was as good a reply as any....

if these guys truly are dirtbags who think they are better than the rest and do lawfully questionable things then they need to be not only dealt with maybe knocked down a peg or two    if all of the allegations are completely false then fine leave them be.....but usually the truth can be found somewhere in the middle 

[Knocker of rocks]

but usually the truth can be found somewhere in the middle 

 

[rosscrazyelk]

Here is a question for you, Team mossback had to apply for a special temperary permit. This permit is good for one animal only.. No Deer, No bear... One elk. Once this elk is down  it is to be reported  rightaway...  Location how big etc.. once the tag is filled they are done..
How much should this special temerary permit cost in your opinion?

[Gringo31]

Apply for this "special" temp permit from who?

Why would someone have access to something the public doesn't?

I didn't know that the WDFW had a "special" catalog for permits to those with $$$$$

[rosscrazyelk]

You need a permit to guide in national forest that what the permit is for, sorry should of made that more clear

[firefighter4607]

If they have a permit in Utah would it carry over here since it is a National Forest and not a state forest?

[DOUBLELUNG]

If they have a permit in Utah would it carry over here since it is a National Forest and not a state forest?

Nope.  USFS commercial operator permits are area-specific.

[Miles]

All of their 400 class bulls are pushed to the hunter by 15-20 people

Now we can add a defacto charge of wrongfull employment conditions against Team Mossback.  According to the web site of Team Mossback,  clients are charged roughly $1000 to $1600 per hunter per day.  From this we must subtract costs for food, lodging, pack animals, overhead, profit and according to ac, a multitude of bribes and payola to all levels of state government.

So if we take a average per day rate of $1300, and conservatively remove $300 for food, lodging and horses, another $150 for profit, overhead, USFS fee's and insurance, we are left with  only with $850 for payola and 15 employees.

Even if we pay no bribes, we are down to $57 per day, for our 15 employees.  It seems unlikely any employer with this cost structure could afford to correctly pay his employees at least minimum wage and all the attendant workers comp, UI, SS and other payroll taxes.

Someone is really bored...

He must be doing something right, cause they're all still working for him.

[mtncook]

Be carefull about disclosing money figures in a public forum.  Not all cases are the same.   I'm sure the figures are available to the public if someone is interested in searching.  Some PM's and phone calls are private.


mtncook

[Knocker of rocks]

He must be doing something right, cause they're all still working for him.

Or maybe, just maybe, the claims of bribes, weapon pointing and a hoard of underpaid minions beating the brush for him is just a tad bit exaggerated.

[Knocker of rocks]

Be carefull about disclosing money figures in a public forum

How so?  My figures are from his web-site, and using standard principles of corporate costs.  Furthermore, I'm using these figures to demostrate how some of the claims against Mossback seemingly lack credence from a purely economic standpoint. 

I contend that many if not all of the allegations against him are either based on hear-say, exaggerated or false.

He has been slandered on this site by individuals accusing him of large scale payola and of threatening the general public with deadly weapons.  I believe these allegations are not true

[MtnMuley]

A special temp permit??  What about the outfitter that has that chunk of USFS land?  He has to share it now?  I think I'm lost......

[washingtonmuley]

All I have to say is "Go back to Utah!!!!!!!!!"