collared female and three pups north of ellensburg

[bearpaw]

they could not really "investigate" the killed animal because the sheep herder did what sheep herders do when they find killed/dead sheep.... skinned it out to save the hide and let the dogs eat a free meal. sorry boys, dont worry though im sure my uncle will have many more sheep for them to investigate soon.

I hope they move on so he doesn't suffer additional losses. 

What I meant is I hope the wolves move on, away from their sheep.

[runniNgunnin]

ya i dont know, its a pretty big area if you think about were the sightings of that back have been... but it doesnt matter its only a matter of time before they are everywhere id they dont change something soon

[seth30]

I believe its a short matter of time before a fatal human confrontation with a wolf will happen, they are spreading to fast for a state with our population, to avoid conflict.  What is it weekly now that we are hearing about them on the news in a negative way?

[Hoyt204]

Sure would be a shame if some one mistakenly thought they where coyotes and... 

[runniNgunnin]

a year ago they were coyotes... amazing how it changes so fast

[Gringo31]

If that wolf had a WDFW necklace then they certainly would/should have known they were right there in the area.  I think they missed an opportunity to warn the good citizens that they were unknowingly at risk.  Sounds like a decent lawsuit to me???

Not sure I'm serious, but I'd like to screw with those guys some and really make them defend their actions on how good of an idea this whole thing is.

[runamuk]

felines typically strangle crushing windpipes and canines disembowel or hamstring two opposite ends of the animal...this is basic animal biology stuff anyone with a tv can learn

Unless you watch this film, where they show examples of wolf killed livestock with windpipes removed

http://cryingwolfmovie.com/

I am watching this now if i see actual footage of repeated windpipe removal I will change my tune otherwise I will stick with what I have seen and experienced watching canines and felines killing...

nothing will ever make me jump on the annihilate all wolves bandwagon....sharks maybe, gators maybe, mosquitoes yes fleas and ticks yes all other animals have a place even if we don't see it or like it 

[Knocker of rocks]

   I wasn't criticizing your theory of mechanism of wolf kill.

I think that "Crying Wolf the Movie" show at least one ripped out windpipe during that long splatter flick montage of wolf attacks.  It was  just one (or two) amoung many, and could have even been the result of a cougar or other attack.  Or it could have resulted from when the wolves started chowing down on their now dead prey.

[Kain]

Wolves will attack the legs and throats (especially in a pack hunt) while cougar will almost never attack anything other than the head and neck. 

Gray Wolf Kills Elk


So just because a kill has its throat ripped out doesnt mean it was or wasnt a wolf.  But if the hamstrings are torn up it will almost always be a wolf. 
There is also claws evidence with cougars.
Mountain Lion Takes Down Mature 160 Class Mule Deer
Cougar catches an elk


But as with all nature there are no hard and fast rules.   
Cougar hunts a bighorn sheep

[runamuk]

Kain kinda nailed it there is almost always hamstringing and leg damage in dog attacks ripped hindquarters and chunks tore out of asses as well as tore out windpipes less frequently.  Cats dont tear so much as strangle, tearing occurs after death during consumption, whereas wolves dogs coyotes jackals all will tear and cause damage prior to actual death.

I was in no way saying windpipes are only damaged by cats but the opposite that is usually the only place there will be killing damage on a cat kill.  Like Kain pointed out cats go for the head and neck....

the movie was pretty good but most the kills they showed were typical canine shred and eviscerate  didnt see any that I would of attributed to a cat

[demontang]

Man I feel your pain of having mounting problems with predators. Wish I could help out in some way.

[mulehunter]

I wonder about that,  which winter range does those tenaway pack plan to go and hang out with Elk and Deer this winter.  Liberty, Cle elum Ridge, Lookout mt, first creek by Virden or Throp Above. Any Idea.  it would be fun to follow all tracks to find all carcass. Sound like fun to share what to find.

Mulehunter. 

[358NM]

Kain
In Neimeyers book Wolfer he goes into great detail on how he examines dead animals to determine how and by what they were killed.
Your explanation is very close to what he has written.
And of course there are exceptions.
The technical aspects of the book and trapping in general were very interesting.

[Kain]

Thanks,  I will try to find a copy. 

[DoubleJ]

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