ok this is a wierd one.. saturday we had a bull come in and at first glance thought he was a spike because he was in full velvet, he turned and saw he was a small 4pt.. why does he still have velvet?? I know I have seen does with headgear in october with velvet left but this guy was sporting like late july velvet, not showing any signs of coming off at all.. oh by the way I missed him at 40 yards (deflection)... we have had 1 other bull come in but didnt want to play enough to get to bow range..