tribal hunting

[remington300mag]

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[PlateauNDN]

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For the most part you do see some Yakamas abusing their rights but that is not to say "we" all do.  Also Yakamas are not the only Indians hunting this side of the State so how do you know they were all Yakamas?  Did you stop and talk to them or just assume they were Yakamas because they looked Indian?

Just because we don't advertise on the front page of the paper everytime we do something doesn't mean we don't manage our fish and game.  Look for yourself its on the internet for everybody to see www.yakamanation-nsn.gov . 

I spend a great deal of time in the woods and yet I still find time to work full-time, pay my bills and be a productive member of society. 

Remington, I mentioned it earlier that this issues are always going to be hot topics and your  so why not just look over the last 10 months and read all about it in previous posts because all the same things you're mentioning now were already debated over and over and over again by myself and others.

[sirmissalot]

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I'd probably watch your mouth on this comment.

[igotbigbulls]

used to be a logger. *censored*  i do work. im surprised you have internet service in your trailer park. you shouldnt be allowed to comment on here. keep crying.

[igotbigbulls]

last comment. its not worth trying to argue a point of opinion. common sense says only harvest what you plan to eat yourself and for your family. thats what i practice and thats all i can say. for all the others out there i may have offended i apologize. happy hunting to all! i do like to debate about the facts though.

[bearpaw]

This is the 2nd time I have had to clean this topic up, next time it gets locked so keep it clean PLEASE!
Thanks, Dale

[longknife]

thank your a little clueless. i know red wagon and he works his ass off. longer hours than you ever work. jealousy seems to be getting the best of you. cant change your skin color no matter how much you want to.

Do you not take hand outs from the goverment? Still gettin your check rite...No way would i be jelous of a prideless person!

 Plateau You are rite, it wasnt sales tax that the tulalips won on, it was Fed, exise taxes. They got shut down on the state tax they tryed to win. No way a shopping mall, makes a city! Thats the only way they got the exise tax break. But every store has to pay the taxes, including non natives living on their rez.

So yes, they keep fedral tax money!

In creating the village, the Tulalips took advantage of a law that afforded the tribes a tax break enjoyed by cities and counties. A federal law, the Tribal Government Tax Status Act of 1982, allows Indian tribes to create politically separate subdivisions, and the tribes incorporated the village as a city directly under the U.S. government. As such, Quil Ceda Village did not have to pay federal excise taxes.

[remington300mag]

So, you censor my comments but not the ones left from the tribal guy? You will leave comments like this.....

"remington300mag. i see your from cashmere. thats why your so upset. because the yakamas can hunt in the national forest in wenatchee. my friend is in there this morning hunting. now i see. makes sense now. all that animosity"

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"sounds like someone is jealous that they have to pay to hunt free roaming animals. talking all your smack...as you sit at your computer. makes me laugh."

Yet, you will delete my comments? Hmmmmm.....makes a guy wonder!

[igotbigbulls]

come on man. think you crossed the line a bit further than i did. lol. why are you upset at our rights that WE protected for ouselves. and no i dont take handouts.

[remington300mag]

come on man. think you crossed the line a bit further than i did. lol. why are you upset at our rights that WE protected for ouselves. and no i dont take handouts.

That is great you don't take handouts, I applaud you for that. Not upset at all tribal members BigBulls, upset with the guys that take advantage of the treaty rights you were given. Upset that the tribal members that do care about the resources seem to not want to do anything about the ones that give their tribe a black eye all the time. You see on here that whenever there is a poacher or a report of one, everyone screams and yells, gets pissed, and hopes they are caught and punished. But when it is a tribal member taking advantage of there treaty, it seems a lot of other tribal members want to do is defend them, and make excuses for their actions. Since I believe it will only get censored, PM me and I will run down a list of things I have seen that would lead anyone to being angry about it.

[PlateauNDN]

thank your a little clueless. i know red wagon and he works his ass off. longer hours than you ever work. jealousy seems to be getting the best of you. cant change your skin color no matter how much you want to.

Do you not take hand outs from the goverment? Still gettin your check rite...No way would i be jelous of a prideless person!

 Plateau You are rite, it wasnt sales tax that the tulalips won on, it was Fed, exise taxes. They got shut down on the state tax they tryed to win. No way a shopping mall, makes a city! Thats the only way they got the exise tax break. But every store has to pay the taxes, including non natives living on their rez.

So yes, they keep fedral tax money!

In creating the village, the Tulalips took advantage of a law that afforded the tribes a tax break enjoyed by cities and counties. A federal law, the Tribal Government Tax Status Act of 1982, allows Indian tribes to create politically separate subdivisions, and the tribes incorporated the village as a city directly under the U.S. government. As such, Quil Ceda Village did not have to pay federal excise taxes.

Yes, I'm RIGHT.  The Tulalips are the first and one of two incorporated cities in the Country under the Federal Govt. not the State.  It's their city (Village) on their reservation so why not?  It wasn't illegal and they had the right to do that.  They were exercising Self-Governance which is their right just like us the Yakamas are exercising our Self-Governance rights to disperse License Plates.  We were not the first and more than likely we are not going to be the last. 

It wasn't just the shopping mall and I was in a conference where they presented their process on how to start the LONG process of incorporation under the Federal Govt. and it wasn't just an outlet mall.  The paperwork process, i.e. environmental impact studies, zoning studies and property and land acquisition...Basically everything you can think of and then some so it wasn't we have an outlet mall we want to be an incorporated city as you may think.

Yes, they got denied the State Tax because that tax applies to ALL Non-Enrolled Tribal Members.  Again, Self-Governance at its best and all they had to do was exercise it guaranteed by the Treaties because of our Sovereign Status. 

You went a little further than civility and that's why it was deleted.  I have learned over the last 10 months the Mods are very neutral and are respectful of everybody on here.

I've said it before on older posts that I don't defend the wrongdoing but I will defend against those that target the entire group instead of saying it was just a couple of bad apples.

[bearpaw]

FYI - I am white but have either good friends or I have relatives in my family of about every race, so it's easy for me to see and understand different sides to many issues. I think tribal issues are topics that need to be discussed openly, but in a civil fashion. I truly see both sides of the issue and feel both sides have legitimate arguments that need to be aired. Whether or not any discussions on this forum will ever make a difference on the state level is very unlikely, however, if those of us who are members here will have decent conversation rather than prod each other, we may begin to understand both sides of the issue a little better. Maybe in some small way topics like this can benefit the future of our resources. We all know that the resource is what we must take care of. 


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[sirmissalot]

So, you censor my comments but not the ones left from the tribal guy? You will leave comments like this.....

"remington300mag. i see your from cashmere. thats why your so upset. because the yakamas can hunt in the national forest in wenatchee. my friend is in there this morning hunting. now i see. makes sense now. all that animosity"

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"sounds like someone is jealous that they have to pay to hunt free roaming animals. talking all your smack...as you sit at your computer. makes me laugh."

Yet, you will delete my comments? Hmmmmm.....makes a guy wonder!

You were censored because your comments were over the line.

I think all of us agree that there are people out there whose actions have made others look bad, both white and red skinned. I do not agree with the way some rules are written for the natives, but just because some of them take advantage of the system doesn't make them all bad people or bad sportsman.

Don't you know "white" hunters who hunt unethically as well?

[remington300mag]

So, you censor my comments but not the ones left from the tribal guy? You will leave comments like this.....

"remington300mag. i see your from cashmere. thats why your so upset. because the yakamas can hunt in the national forest in wenatchee. my friend is in there this morning hunting. now i see. makes sense now. all that animosity"

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"sounds like someone is jealous that they have to pay to hunt free roaming animals. talking all your smack...as you sit at your computer. makes me laugh."

Yet, you will delete my comments? Hmmmmm.....makes a guy wonder!

You were censored because your comments were over the line.

I think all of us agree that there are people out there whose actions have made others look bad, both white and red skinned. I do not agree with the way some rules are written for the natives, but just because some of them take advantage of the system doesn't make them all bad people or bad sportsman.

Don't you know "white" hunters who hunt unethically as well?

As I quoted I guess his comments were fine? Hmmmm I guess from now on I will use those quotes in my comments, since they have been deemed ok!
Now, As for the "White" hunters that do things unethically or illegally, Yes, I know it happens, I also know that other "White" hunters when made aware of the situation will stand up against said offender. They will call them out, turn them in, bash the heck out of them, and otherwise make it clear that the behavor is wrong.
Now, what do you see out of the tribes? How do they react to their bad apples? All I have seen in Defend Defend Defend......and if that is not going to work, Deny Deny Deny.

[gonehuntin68]

A treaty is a contract between us and the govermnet. you guys break the treaty you break the contract. that means you give us or 24 million acres back and get of our land. .. so think twice.

how about the tready gets ripped up and we keep the land   the native americans did not do so well last time