tribal hunting

[igotbigbulls]

honestly, i am really glad your on here igotbigbulls.   sorry things get out of hand, and really glad you roll with them and demand facts.   i am just reading and trying to decipher the BS from facts.  as i have never experienced tribal abuse, only hear say.  what i hear is enough to make my hair stand on my arms.  i just wonder how much is true, but i also wonder how diligent the tribes are in policing illegal hunting as you say they are.  i know there are hell raising indians out there, who love to have a good time, and that seems to piss off alot of non-indians.  and i damn sure know there are non-indians out there who love to raise hell and have a good time.   i think the difference is, that when indians do it, and go and kill an elk with a rifle during bow season while they are hooping and hollering, it feels to the non-indian a sort of taunting is happening.  i have only seen non-indians in the mountains raising hell, only in part because i hunt little where indians tend to roam.  I have seen in the clearwater a truck of 4 indians going through a locked gate.  but i also know of a few non-indians that have access to gates and use it during archery season.  who can say they never seen a quad running around behind gates, when it shouldn't be.  i know i have.  all have been non-indians.  pisses me off to.  i am one who only supports facts,  facts to me are proof.  facts to me are photos, video, and so on.  like i said proof.  i don't really care about percentages and ratios, thats not what i want.  save that crap someone who cares.   sometimes facts are misleading and unfortunately, hearsay is fact to alot of people.  take our dumb a@@ president for example.  how else could he have made president since the real facts showed he was not suitable for the job, yet he was voted on by majority.  yea, blows me away to.   
so tell me this igotbigbulls.  is there a hotline that can be used for your tribe and others that if an illegal act is being done, that we can call??
can you copy and paste tribal regulations on here, so we have an understanding what tribes consider illegal. 
weapon types, amount of loads in a gun, wastefullness, etc...
fishing for roe, seems it should be illegal.  is it??
anyway, anything would help and im sure alot of non-indians would appreciate some insight
thanks again for being a forum member

sounds like a good idea. i ll pm you. i cant and wont speak for the different tribes. its there right. state fish and game in the areas are well versed in tribal laws.

[colockumelk]

windy if you go through some of the previous forums Plateau has done an AWSOME job of providing the exact same info you just requested.  Plateau is an awsome guy and has done alot for relations on this forum and in the real world. 

colokumelk
i cant hunt big game during the hard winter my season is aug1-dec31
and we got our own scientists, own roads, but we do pay the same taxes as you. got our own programs, got our own game wardens. you know nothing about tribal laws, regs or actually anything. im not a yakama. so i fall into that other tribes area i guess. i didnt need the boldt desicion to tell me what and where i can hunt. its spelled out in OUR treaty. dont be so narrow minded. non natives poach! obviously alot. thats why you continue to need more game wardens and that makes your tags cost more and so on and so on. if you aint got proof stay quiet.
btw do you think we dont pay taxes like everyone else?

igotbigbulls let me tell you something.  Obviously you havn't been on this website for very long so I'll give you a pass on this last comment.  I GUARANTEE YOU I know more about the Boldt Decision than you do.  I GUARANTEE YOU that I know more about the 1855 treaty than you do.  I GUARANTEE YOU I know more about the Yakama game regs than many Yakama's do.  Way to completely avoid all debate and duck my points and direct questions.  The true mark of someone who does not either know what they are talking about, does not have the facts or does know the facts and knows if they stay on the subject they are beat. 

If you knew about the Yakama game regs you would know they CAN and DO hunt after Dec 31.  I also told you its AMERICAN's not non-natives.  That word is offensive.  I'm more native than you are and I GUARANTEE YOU I have done more for this country than you have.  NUFF SAID.  If you want to bring facts or intelligence to the debate then I'll debate.  But if all you want to do is use name calling, offensive terms and duck and dodge the issue then I'm done.  Good day!

[igotbigbulls]

duck and dodge what? talk is cheap. i grew up on the yakama rez. right in the heart. born and raised. i am native! proud of it. what do you need to know the treaty for. and i could care less what you say youve done. proof is in facts which you are sadly mistaken you think you know. seen guys like you come and go. i just told you about the some of the programs we have which dont benefit you in anyway because they arent for you. you just say i dodge your debate. just because you say you GUARANTEE doesnt make me a believer. come on man lets here something intellegent from you. some real facts would be nice.

[colockumelk]

I will speak as simply as I can. What has the Yakama Nation or the CIU done to benefit elk and deer populations off of the reservation? Since the tribes hunt off of the reservation shouldn't they have to help in conservation and game management?   

If you think that those free ranging animals that we have didn't come with a price then you are mistaken. We have paid for them so you can hunt them. FOR FREE! Your welcome.

[igotbigbulls]

look the answer i give is not going to make you happy. we take care of OUR reservation. and the things on it. people and animals. we reserved the right to hunt in our usual and acustomed hunting areas. which includes all unclaimed land in that area. the state chooses to do what they do in regard to game management they see fit. you are governed by the states regulations on fishing and hunting. the ctuir has there own programs and also works with the states in managing game. why do you think you have seasons and regulations? its to manage the game right. so the herds are not desimated. yakamas cant shoot cows from end of dec to aug. why do you think they do that? you know the answer. i think the tribes have been managing the big game herds in this country for a long time and know what they are doing. lot longer than the state management system.

[rezboy]

Still fighting the good fight Colockum?...LOL...It's nice to see some things never change on this site.   

[Alan K]

i think the tribes have been managing the big game herds in this country for a long time and know what they are doing. lot longer than the state management system.

LOL

Now THAT speaks to your credibility!    The tribes have repeatedly decimated OUR elk herds, which we continue to replenish and shut down hunting for decades, only to have it happen again.  Maybe the tribes have managed their reservations okay, but they sure rape the hell out of the lands managed by us!

[BOWHUNTER45]

I missed alot since I went to my kids football game .. which they kicked some azz and are now 4-0 .... But I need to now laugh at this sheet because it will hit 20 pages ...Hell your going to beat BUCKLUCKY and he has something to really talk about he actually bagged up an elk ... NOW THATS SOME IMPORTANT SHEET THEIR NOW  I guess you guys love pi$$ing each other off 

[rezboy]

I missed alot since I went to my kids football game .. which they kicked some azz and are now 4-0 .... But I need to now laugh at this sheet because it will hit 20 pages ...Hell your going to beat BUCKLUCKY and he has something to really talk about he actually bagged up an elk ... NOW THATS SOME IMPORTANT SHEET THEIR NOW  I guess you guys love pi$$ing each other off 

 

Congrats to the kiddo playing ball...(something that actually is worth commenting on!)

[colockumelk]

look the answer i give is not going to make you happy. we take care of OUR reservation. and the things on it. people and animals. we reserved the right to hunt in our usual and acustomed hunting areas. which includes all unclaimed land in that area. the state chooses to do what they do in regard to game management they see fit. you are governed by the states regulations on fishing and hunting. the ctuir has there own programs and also works with the states in managing game. why do you think you have seasons and regulations? its to manage the game right. so the herds are not desimated. yakamas cant shoot cows from end of dec to aug. why do you think they do that? you know the answer. i think the tribes have been managing the big game herds in this country for a long time and know what they are doing. lot longer than the state management system.

Nope that was the answer I knew to be true. Thank you for making my point. They do nothing. Don't you think they should help manage and help conserve the animals they hunt?

Hey rez how is it going. Hope the hunting is going good for you. You know me I love a good debate.

[rezboy]

Going well Colockum...the family hasn't had time to hunt yet this year, but hopefully soon. 

[igotbigbulls]

ok ok i guess you win. we ll just keep hunting and fishing till you get this all worked out. if it was such a big deal and as you say nothing is being done by the tribes wouldnt it be a bigger issue? i think you might be over thinking this a little to much.

[3dsheetmetal]

Just have one question for you igotbigbulls from Aug.1st to Dec.31st. legally how many deer and elk are you allowed to harvest.

[colockumelk]

Going well Colockum...the family hasn't had time to hunt yet this year, but hopefully soon.

What? But your missing the rut. Well i know your a busy guy so Im sure youve got a good reason. Have you at least been fishing I heard the run this year is awsome.

Well hope you get your kids a shot at some animals. How did that sausage thing turn out for you.

[igotbigbulls]

no limit.but no branch antler bull with rifle from aug 25-oct15 and no branch antler bull period from dec 1-31. but its what you need for your fam.