Tribal Hunting.

[elkonastick]

Hey inchtown I think you and some people are talking about two different things. You are talking about on reservation hunting and they are talking about the rights that some tribes have off the reservation. No one I know has a problem with on reservation hunting. It's your land so you should be able to run the show how you want to. You do what works for you.

The problem many have is off the reservation the Yakamas have no restrictions on how many branch bulls they can harvest. Or bucks. For a nontribal we have to wait 10 years to draw a tag to hunt a bull. This does not seem fair. If the state loosened the regs for us we wouldnt have any elk to hunt let alone big bulls.

It's the opinion of many that the state has impasse more and more restrictions on us and tje benefactors are the Yakamas and now the Muckleshoots, neither of which contribute a penny to big game management let alone do research or provide harvest reports.

Furhermore A LOT of the "hunting" is done during the winter at or near feed stations and in the wintering ground. This is also the most visible portion of tribal hunters so they get a bad rap when we see time and time again tribal members shooting from the road killing a few elk driving to them and staking them like chordwood. Again not all do this its just the bad apples that are most visible.

Finally in places where the herd is hurting and we see less and less permits the tribes do nothing to control harvest on their end to help conservation amd to keep a herd healthy.

For us around Yakima that shares the resources with the Yakamas we feel like the spouse who does all the work on the marriage and sacrifices while the other partner does what they want and contributes nothing to tje marriage.  FYI I think the Colvilles do an outstanding job of game managemnt and conservation.

  the only tribal hunting i have seen has been in the collockum, i do not have anything to say of the colville tribal hunting becasue i know nothing about it. it gets me fired up becasue a a person with only 1 point has a 1 in 9128 chance of drawing a collockum bull tag rifle and can hunt 4 days during rut or 1 in 6376 for a two week hunt late oct /early nov. i have pesonally seen 7 bulls taken this year by tribal members and my brother in law has seen 4. 3660 people put in for a collockum bull tag last year and 6 tags were given. a tribal member can go shoot six in a day if he wanted because of an agreement that was made in the mid 1800s. b4327 how many natives do you know that were around when they were so badly mistreated? it would be like excluding blacks from paying taxes because their slave ancestors paid no taxes. but no aggreement was made back then for them to hold onto the parts that they find appealing. it is the law but it is a law that was made when indians rode horses and shot bows and arrows, now they have rifles and trucks. let them make the trip from yakima to colockum with no motor vehicle and no modern fire arm the way they did when this law was made and i would not complain a bit but something has got to change or soon it will be a draw hunt for a true spike and natives will still be cracking big bulls

[b4327]

elkonastick I also see where you are coming from as well. Listen I have my opinion and you have yours. Yes I think at times they have abused there power with there regs, and yes a lot of native americans are respectful and do the right thing with there regs. I guess in the end if people want change then they need to start doing something about it. complaining over and over again is pointless. If people are really fired up then start writing letters, get a group organized, etc. We have all heard the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Talking about this issue to death just seems like a moot point until people really take action. Not looking to argue or piss people off. I respect all opinions on this board. LIke I said in my previous post what gets me is the amount of poaching I have learned about that goes on in the Okanogan area (locals not native americans) that really gets me. I heading out Tuesday to hunt 204 so we will see. I wish everyone the best of luck this week.

[inchtowntracking]

I hear people talking about how long ago the treaties were signed, and how we were a different people back then, how we don't hunt with bows and arrows. I dont think you guys realize that I am 29 and my grandma was a product of the boarding schools. She was not allowed to talk her language or have long hair. She tells stories of being beat by the nuns and priests and being tied to the radiators in the basements. But yet she is still a devote catholic, and lived the way she was taught. She wouldn't speak our language to my dad because she was taught it was was bad.  This stuff didn't happen that long ago.

You guys say we are not the people we were back then but it was not by choice. We are still trying to get our language back. They have been teaching it in schools , but it is no where like it was back when the treaties where signed. If it was my choice I would love for it to be like back in the day, it would be nice to learn the old ways. When I hear you guys say the government just took land, why do they need their hunting rights, I feel like you don't get it. A lot more was taken, our culture and our living. I think the least we could keep is some hunting and fishing rights. We have no where close to the amount of land our ancestors traveled, hunted, and gathered on. You guys are right we are not the same, but not by our choice.

[BOWHUNTER45]

Man i wish we could get over it  Just hunt like I do when and where I want  and after this weekend of seeing wardens hidding behind gates to see who can open them has seriously pi$$ed me off .... No I was not opening gates but these gates are run by DNR and it is *censored* they are locked to begin with ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN OPEN ALL YEAR LONG AND THEY LOCKED THEM THE NIGHT BEFORE THE SEASON OPENED ....I am so freakin peed off I need to go see a shrink tomorrow !!!!! >:(grrrrrrrrrrrrr our tax money hard at work 

[sixty4nhalf]

I hear people talking about how long ago the treaties were signed, and how we were a different people back then, how we don't hunt with bows and arrows. I dont think you guys realize that I am 29 and my grandma was a product of the boarding schools. She was not allowed to talk her language or have long hair. She tells stories of being beat by the nuns and priests and being tied to the radiators in the basements. But yet she is still a devote catholic, and lived the way she was taught. She wouldn't speak our language to my dad because she was taught it was was bad.  This stuff didn't happen that long ago.

You guys say we are not the people we were back then but it was not by choice. We are still trying to get our language back. They have been teaching it in schools , but it is no where like it was back when the treaties where signed. If it was my choice I would love for it to be like back in the day, it would be nice to learn the old ways. When I hear you guys say the government just took land, why do they need their hunting rights, I feel like you don't get it. A lot more was taken, our culture and our living. I think the least we could keep is some hunting and fishing rights. We have no where close to the amount of land our ancestors traveled, hunted, and gathered on. You guys are right we are not the same, but not by our choice.

Inchtowntracking:
I can not and will not speak for all, but I think a lot of people Native American or not feel the same way. Like I said earlier I have no problem with the Native being able to hunt / fish when ever they want to, HELL I would love it if we all could do it (IF IT WAS FOR FOOD not for sport) I was never raised to take something that I could not use or need, and I feel the same goes for the tribes. I think what people of all sorts is pissed about is that SOME and not all, when given a foot take a yard, and I know that those animals are taken not for personal consumption, and this goes for all sides! What ticks me off the most is when you find a rotting carcass without a head. 10 years ago I went hunting in Oregon and a member of the party "accidentally" shot a cow on a spike only hunt, and then left the cow there. I vowed NEVER to hunt with that person again!

 My wife cares for one of the local tribe elders and they treat them like crap, and that is not right either. I can't count how many times that I have seen truck loads of fish being dumped because nobody wanted them.

So Yes I understand that things are not right, and that is where WE ALL need to change somethings back, will they ever be the same as they were, no not at all.

What I really feel bad about is those "berry/nut picking" tribes that get to harvest out of season. 

[ArrowH]

"The only greater claim they (indians) have to this land is the fact that they butchered the previous occupants of it before we arrived"... Theodore Roosevelt

[liljozie495]

THATS rediculous...2 deer per day for 6 months.... rediculous!!!!!! 

[inchtowntracking]

I wrote that to show why we was different, and not the same hunters as we was back then. Do I think it will ever go back to the old days No, it will never go back. It just makes me mad when they say we are not the same people we was back when the treaties were signed. The same poaching and wasting pisses me off too. I heard of some people that do it and I am waiting for them to mess up so we can issue them a citation.


Just because we are allowed two deer per day doesnt mean that happens, and not everyone that is enrolled hunts. There are way more people that dont hunt then do.

[Yak-NDN]

That was definitely done by the Yakamas at the firing center.    And they definitely are pretty skilled at deer hunting. 

That must have been the last five deer.

If it came down to five deer left in the firing center or anywhere I bet the indians would have no problem snuffing them out. They turned the firing center to a joke, yes you still may find a big buck in there but no way near the way it was just 5 or 6 years ago. What the heck happened? Did they find out that the easiest road hunting around was out there?  I just don't get why they need to kill as much as they do, that used to be one of the best tags to draw in our state and they completely ruined it in a very short time. w t f, tired of this crap.

Trophy  lol Are you joking? Look at the log book smart guy how many Tribal kills you see on it not much I look every time I go out to the YTC State kills are 15 to 1. Just to let you know don't make statement that you can be proven wrong. You should have said the Tribe is escorted by Humvee and they get unlimited 50cal bullets that is mounted on top and they chase all the elk down and then are loaded onto the army dump truck and  horns cut off then Tribal member is traded beer for the horns by the solders and he goes home. Now that's a story.

[inchtowntracking]

That was definitely done by the Yakamas at the firing center.    And they definitely are pretty skilled at deer hunting. 

That must have been the last five deer.

If it came down to five deer left in the firing center or anywhere I bet the indians would have no problem snuffing them out. They turned the firing center to a joke, yes you still may find a big buck in there but no way near the way it was just 5 or 6 years ago. What the heck happened? Did they find out that the easiest road hunting around was out there?  I just don't get why they need to kill as much as they do, that used to be one of the best tags to draw in our state and they completely ruined it in a very short time. w t f, tired of this crap.

Trophy  lol Are you joking? Look at the log book smart guy how many Tribal kills you see on it not much I look every time I go out to the YTC State kills are 15 to 1. Just to let you know don't make statement that you can be proven wrong. You should have said the Tribe is escorted by Humvee and they get unlimited 50cal bullets that is mounted on top and they chase all the elk down and then are loaded onto the army dump truck and  horns cut off then Tribal member is traded beer for the horns by the solders and he goes home. Now that's a story.

Would that beer be a Keystone Light?

[inchtowntracking]

elkonastick I also see where you are coming from as well. Listen I have my opinion and you have yours. Yes I think at times they have abused there power with there regs, and yes a lot of native americans are respectful and do the right thing with there regs. I guess in the end if people want change then they need to start doing something about it. complaining over and over again is pointless. If people are really fired up then start writing letters, get a group organized, etc. We have all heard the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Talking about this issue to death just seems like a moot point until people really take action. Not looking to argue or piss people off. I respect all opinions on this board. LIke I said in my previous post what gets me is the amount of poaching I have learned about that goes on in the Okanogan area (locals not native americans) that really gets me. I heading out Tuesday to hunt 204 so we will see. I wish everyone the best of luck this week.

 

[Yak-NDN]

Olympia. lol

[inchtowntracking]

Your right that is a way better story!!!

[wabassguy1]

Wow.... so I haven't been on in a while and I guess this thread had a few responses. Not really what I was getting at to begin with Iwas just making an observation since I was new to the area.