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Offline Heetor

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Re: 600 Yard shot :)
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2011, 09:14:06 AM »
Thanks guys there is some really valuable advice in here.  I appreciate the ethics of the hunters on this site, the attitude where I grew up hunting would have been, "just fire at fur" or "throw enough rounds at it and something will hit it".  I thought I would get at least a couple of replies like that, I was pleased I didn't.

Being a bow hunter I constantly have to pass on shots that are outside my skill limit, sometimes it hurts but it has to be done, so I am pretty familiar with letting the big one walk to get a crack at him another day.  I got into bow hunting specifically for the challenge, in Tennessee we hunt heavy bush out of tree stands so rifle shots are 50 yards or less and off of a rest, which is a good way to get antlers on the wall, but has more to do with where you hang your stand as opposed to hunting skills.  I use riffles for moose, bear and elk, which is why I have a small collection, but have never pondered long range shooting until I found this big cut that has so many bears in it.

I only moved up to Washington in July, so hunting this big country is still something I have to get my head around.  This country is the real deal, hiking miles up mountains through bush so thick you can't see, dealing with wind, rain, snow and whatever else the weather gods throw at us, butchering game in the bush and hauling it out on your back, this  stuff is like a drug to a hunting addict.  A far cry from relaxing and drinking coffee in a deer stand while waiting for the big one to walk out and sniff your decoy.

Anyway this thread has helped me a lot.  My ethics are in the right place, I don't take shots at animals I am not confident I can take cleanly.  I just got a couple of earfuls when moose hunting in Canada two weeks ago for passing on a bull at 50 yards that was dead away from me, but he walked off and never gave me any better angle.  There was no way to put a clean shot into it so I passed, and I would do it again, though I might keep my mouth shut at camp the next time :) 

I think the issue I have is not respecting/understanding the skill required to reliably shoot a rifle at distances that long, this thread has opened my eyes a little.  Based on the feedback I think some of you could sense my ignorance.  Yes I did believe that I could run down to Dave's spend a few hundred bucks on gear and a day practicing the shot and be ready for it, you may all laugh at me now :)

Anyway this is really exciting stuff, a new challenge and 9 months to figure out if I am up to it!  Should fill in the off season gap nicely.  Hopefully I can get some more feedback from the panel to help me get ready for it.

Rifle: I agree with the responders that suggested the .338 win mag for the long range shots, of all my rifles this is the one closest setup for this kind of thing.  I shoot a Tika T3 with Leupold Mark 2 scope and rings.  My preferred round is the Hornady GMX in 185 grains, though I do shoot the 225 as well.

Range Finder:  I have the Wildgame unit, this one is going to need an upgrade as it doesn't pick up reads outside of 200 yards.  It has been fine for bow hunting, but not going to make it here.  Any advice on models people have had good success with at longer ranges would be appreciated.

Ballistics calculator app for smart phone:  I have seen this on TV but have no practical knowledge here.  I do carry a smart phone in the bush as a backup GPS, but if someone has a recommendation for iphone or droid smart phones let me know. I usually tape the ballistics table for my load to the stock of my gun so I can glance at it when I need it, but that does nothing for elevation and wind.

Cosine angle indicator:  No idea on this one, does anyone have some advice on equipment like this they have had good success with?  I know that bow hunters use range finders that compensate for the angle and display a shot distance corrected for the angle, anyone ever seen something like this for long range rifle shooting?

Wind is still a mystery:  Still not sure how to account for this other than practice, but there was a mention of a Kestral Weather Station, or gauging mirage with a spotting scope.  I don't know a damn thing about this but will start with some research here, pointers would be appreciated.

Anyway thanks for the tips and I would appreciate a few more :)

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Re: 600 Yard shot :)
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 10:28:06 AM »
Heetor,  Glad to hear you are getting interested in the long range shooting game.  I myself am started down this road but by no means at its pinnacle.  One book I've devoured on this topic is:  The Ultimate Sniper  http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Sniper-Advanced-Training-Military/dp/1581604947/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1320339800&sr=8-1

You can ignore the military style tactics in the book but the shooting info is great.  It will even give you some ideas to guide your practice sessions, rifle set up, log books, the works. 

For balistics calculators there are lots of them on the market.  I wouldn't just buy any app of the android or iphone market.  The formula behind the scenes is as important as the data points you put in.  I've been experimenting with an excel version of Art Pjestas formulas. You can find it here.

http://www.jacksonrifles.com/ballistics.htm 

Pjesta also wrote several books on Long range balistics.  I've read a few of his papers but have yet to get his books but they might be worth the read for you too. 

I've heard Exbal is a good program as is the nightforce pocket pc program.  Then there is the Barret Bors system which does a lot of the data gathering for you including angle and atmospheric info other than wind.  I've played with one but never had a chance to shoot with it.  It may even be compatible with your leupold scope.  Not sure.

The level and cosine or degree indicator you use will largely be determined by they way you have your rifle set up. and what computer software you use.  since I have a vortex scope on my 300 WM I have this level: 
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-30mm-riflescope-tube-bubble-level

Angle indicators tend to be a little spendy so I have not picked one up yet.  It's on my list. 
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/615767/badger-ordnance-angle-cosine-indicator-kit-with-generation-2-picatinny-style-mount-aluminum-matte  Get one that works with your preferred computer. 

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Re: 600 Yard shot :)
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 10:32:34 AM »
Interesting.  Tracking...tracking...so I can look up when I get home.

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Re: 600 Yard shot :)
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 10:57:34 AM »
Not to take this tread a different direction but I wonder how many people would be interested in a Saturday class on teaching these techniques? 
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Re: 600 Yard shot :)
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2011, 11:07:47 AM »
+1 for Maj. Plaster's treatise "The Ultimate Sniper."

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Re: 600 Yard shot :)
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2011, 02:36:17 PM »
I have worked up a load for my .338win for out to 600yds, and practiced a lot at the range in different winds. There realy is no way to just go out a few times and the shot an animal at that range. I have a 225gr accubond with a bc of .550 moving out at 2800 fps with a 250yd zero which at 600yds is 65.2" of drop and with a 10mph wind drifts 24.7". It will hit with 1890fps and 1785ftlbs which will ring a bears bell pretty good still. Now look at 630yds 75.6" drop and 27.6" drift with 1850fps and 1710ftlb, then 660yds 86.9"drop and 30.6"drift with 1810fps and 1638ftlbs. Know the range is key at long range cause saying 600yds and it being 630 can be a miss or a wounded animal. Go practice and get it dialed in and just stik to 300yds tell you do. I have limited myself to 350yds this year cause I havent shot that much this year. O and I would say use a high bc bullet or your drop and windage will be way different like a 180gr accubond moving 3100fps, drops 63.3" and drifts 34.7" at 600yds but with 1208ftlbs remaning

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Re: 600 Yard shot :)
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2011, 03:25:02 PM »
shootn a bear that far is a bad idea period unless you take a high shoulder shot, which you still gotta go check no matter what but a high shoulder shot puts them on the deck, my son just got his first and it was a big blackie, he used the high shoulder shot and put it right down, now when we skinned him i showed him exactly why you really need to anchor the bear, had my sons bear ran off there would have been zero blood do to the amount of fat when we got the skin off it appeared to have zero damage until we cut the fat away and then the damage was amazing, all in all if your 100% comfortable with taken long shots then by all means go ahead but you owe it to the critter to use the right amount of gun and ammo to do the job and just remember bear are one of the hardest animals to track...
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