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Posted by: 400out« on: Yesterday at 06:36:20 PM » Insert Quote I will add! I'M PRETTY SURE THE WHITE MAN was the one to bring elk into the area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not native! the time is over! build a bridge and get over it! yeah 400out you should do some research before you spout off. Elk were transplanted back by the whites because you wiped them out with unregulated hunting. A very great elk biologist wrote what i have put below. its in WDFW elk management plan. you should read it.Historic Distribution: Elk have been present in the Columbia Basin and adjacent areas forat least 10,000 years, and were an important source of food for Native Americans(McCorquodale 1985). Unregulated subsistence and market hunting by Euro-Americanimmigrants, along with habitat changes resulting from livestock grazing and land cultivation,nearly extirpated elk from the Blue Mountains by the late 1880's (McCorquodale 1985ODFW 1992).
I would be inclined to believe what you copy and pasted here but elk were originally plains animals and I highly doubt a lot of these tribes historically hunted deer and elk before the Spanish came about with horses in America. They more than likely subsisted off all the salmon in the rivers. I also doubt that many elk even were in eastern Washington, the channeled scablands isn't exactly ideal habitat.Quote from: igotbigbulls on November 22, 2011, 07:18:46 AMPosted by: 400out« on: Yesterday at 06:36:20 PM » Insert Quote I will add! I'M PRETTY SURE THE WHITE MAN was the one to bring elk into the area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not native! the time is over! build a bridge and get over it! yeah 400out you should do some research before you spout off. Elk were transplanted back by the whites because you wiped them out with unregulated hunting. A very great elk biologist wrote what i have put below. its in WDFW elk management plan. you should read it.Historic Distribution: Elk have been present in the Columbia Basin and adjacent areas forat least 10,000 years, and were an important source of food for Native Americans(McCorquodale 1985). Unregulated subsistence and market hunting by Euro-Americanimmigrants, along with habitat changes resulting from livestock grazing and land cultivation,nearly extirpated elk from the Blue Mountains by the late 1880's (McCorquodale 1985ODFW 1992).
I just recently heard a rumor that the Yakamas had a huge tent city up in the Nile Bethel area last December and killed 600 elk. I also recently heard that the Rocky Mountain Elk foundation hired 7 camera men to follow the hunting camp next year and do a documentary. And no before anyone jumps on me I do not believe a word of this rumor.I don't think the Yaks and Mucks harvested 150 elk in the Rimrock and Cowiche just prior to the season. First of all the Mucks don't come over here to hunt until the winter hits and they are in their winter range. Also that is ALOT of elk to have just been harvested in one unit. Also that is an EXTREMELY remote and hard area to hunt. There's like 3,000 people that hunt that unit during the general season and they don't kill close to 150 elk in that unit. So I doubt a handfull of Indians (even if they were super hunters) could harvest 150 elk. They could do it in the wide open Umptanum in the winter but in a wilderness area without snow where its rugged, remote, no roads and extremely thick.. Not possible. People I have noticed want to blame the lack of success and/or seeing animals on everything and anything other than their lack of effort.
I have seen this tent city first hand it looked like the modern day seen from dances with wolves but instead of Buffalo it was elk. Savages all of them.
agreed
Posted by: hughjorgan« on: Today at 01:07:02 PM » Insert Quote Oh come on it is a fact that there weren't any horses in america until the Spaniards brought them to America. Also it is a fact that elk were a plains animal originally. Your ancestors probably did hunt but not much all the tribal history I have ever seen in the PNW has shown many pictures of Indians fishing. Do you even have evidence that there were elk in the yakima areathis is from the WDFW Yakima Elk HerdHistoric DistributionThe Yakima Elk Herd is a reintroduced herd resulting from an initial transplant of 50 RockyMountain elk (Cervus elaphus nelsoni) from Gardiner, Montana in January 1913 and anadditional 6 elk from Montana purchased from Manitou Park in Spokane, Washington in 1913.These animals were released on the Stevens Ranch on the Naches River (Pautzke et al.1939).They noted that, “There were no elk native to Yakima County at the time of these plantings, noris there definite evidence that elk ever occupied that area in recent times.” Based on recentarcheological records from the Columbia Basin the evidence suggests that elk were present andutilized by the early inhabitants (Dixon et al. 1996 and McCorquodale 1985). Elk were possiblyextirpated from the region by the late 1880's (McCorquodale 1985).
http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/org_NWS/NWSci%20journal%20articles/1996%20files/Issue%203/v70%20p262%20Dixon%20and%20Lyman.PDFYou can read the study that I pulled the quotes from yourself Igotbigbulls and PlateauNDN...It is interesting to note that there is no data available in there chart for frequency of dated assemblages producing elk remains per county for Yakima or Kittitas Counties, thevery area that is so controversial about tribal elk harvest... is there no data because there was no elk, until some sportsman introduced them to these areas? Elk seem to be welldocumented in other counties in Eastern Washington by carbon dating and fossils.
the Yakamas don't need permits or permission for anybody to harvest elk since the rimrock unit is within our Ceded Area
Bet they didn't hunt out of pickup trucks with .300 ultra mags though... Wasnt rimrock the unit where the tribal killers were herding a bull with their truck last season? What ever came of that?
