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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2011, 09:36:05 AM »
WT, its 35 dollars for a season permit for the reservation. This allows you to hunt upland game and waterfowl. You still need a duck stamp though. The reservation has similar seasons to the rest of the state with a few differences concerning the opening and closing dates of pheasant and quail and partridge. You will need to pick up a feel free to hunt map and locate areas to hunt (there are quite a few, you just need to drive around and check them out). The website that plateau gave will tell you everything i just did and more.


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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2011, 11:00:01 AM »
the corps of discovery\lewis & clark hunted wapiti in washington and oregon! early 1800's
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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2011, 11:34:35 AM »
Thanks PlateauNDN for keeping things factual.  I've been on this site for a few years now and haven't jumped in to most of these debates because I don't have the facts.  I've been hunting pretty much most of my life and appreciate your insight here. I believe that most of the bad or unethical things that happen in the woods is the result of a person or persons bad choices and not related to "people".  If I were to see it first hand by a group of people or the same person over and over again then I would have something to say that was factual.  Without that it's just third party info with nothing to back it up?

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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2011, 12:03:44 PM »
I would be inclined to believe what you copy and pasted here but elk were originally plains animals and I highly doubt a lot of these tribes historically hunted deer and elk before the Spanish came about with horses in America. They more than likely subsisted off all the salmon in the rivers. I also doubt that many elk even were in eastern Washington, the channeled scablands isn't exactly ideal habitat.

Posted by: 400out
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I will add! I'M PRETTY SURE THE WHITE MAN was the one to bring elk into the area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not native! the time is over! build a bridge and get over it! 

yeah 400out you should do some research before you spout off. Elk were transplanted back by the whites because you wiped them out with unregulated hunting. A very great elk biologist wrote what i have put below. its in WDFW elk management plan. you should read it.



Historic Distribution: Elk have been present in the Columbia Basin and adjacent areas for
at least 10,000 years, and were an important source of food for Native Americans
(McCorquodale 1985). Unregulated subsistence and market hunting by Euro-American
immigrants, along with habitat changes resulting from livestock grazing and land cultivation,
nearly extirpated elk from the Blue Mountains by the late 1880's (McCorquodale 1985
ODFW 1992).


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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2011, 12:53:07 PM »
I would be inclined to believe what you copy and pasted here but elk were originally plains animals and I highly doubt a lot of these tribes historically hunted deer and elk before the Spanish came about with horses in America. They more than likely subsisted off all the salmon in the rivers. I also doubt that many elk even were in eastern Washington, the channeled scablands isn't exactly ideal habitat.

Posted by: 400out
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I will add! I'M PRETTY SURE THE WHITE MAN was the one to bring elk into the area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not native! the time is over! build a bridge and get over it! 

yeah 400out you should do some research before you spout off. Elk were transplanted back by the whites because you wiped them out with unregulated hunting. A very great elk biologist wrote what i have put below. its in WDFW elk management plan. you should read it.



Historic Distribution: Elk have been present in the Columbia Basin and adjacent areas for
at least 10,000 years, and were an important source of food for Native Americans
(McCorquodale 1985). Unregulated subsistence and market hunting by Euro-American
immigrants, along with habitat changes resulting from livestock grazing and land cultivation,
nearly extirpated elk from the Blue Mountains by the late 1880's (McCorquodale 1985
ODFW 1992).


Wow?!?!  I'd like to see the documentation you have to justify your comments hughjorgan?  Unless you're a biologist, historian or have done extenive research in this subject to make such a claim I wouldn't go as far as to post such a comment here without the facts proving so.
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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2011, 01:01:32 PM »
  I just recently heard a rumor that the Yakamas had a huge tent city up in the Nile Bethel area last December and killed 600 elk.  I also recently heard that the Rocky Mountain Elk foundation hired 7 camera men to follow the hunting camp next year and do a documentary.  And no before anyone jumps on me I do not believe a word of this rumor.

I don't think the Yaks and Mucks harvested 150 elk in the Rimrock and Cowiche just prior to the season.  First of all the Mucks don't come over here to hunt until the winter hits and they are in their winter range.  Also that is ALOT of elk to have just been harvested in one unit.  Also that is an EXTREMELY remote and hard area to hunt.  There's like 3,000 people that hunt that unit during the general season and they don't kill close to 150 elk in that unit.  So I doubt a handfull of Indians (even if they were super hunters) could harvest 150 elk.  They could do it in the wide open Umptanum in the winter but in a wilderness area without snow where its rugged, remote, no roads and extremely thick..  Not possible. 

People I have noticed want to blame the lack of success and/or seeing animals on everything and anything other than their lack of effort. 
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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2011, 01:09:49 PM »
 :yeah:
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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2011, 01:22:06 PM »
  I just recently heard a rumor that the Yakamas had a huge tent city up in the Nile Bethel area last December and killed 600 elk.  I also recently heard that the Rocky Mountain Elk foundation hired 7 camera men to follow the hunting camp next year and do a documentary.  And no before anyone jumps on me I do not believe a word of this rumor.

I don't think the Yaks and Mucks harvested 150 elk in the Rimrock and Cowiche just prior to the season.  First of all the Mucks don't come over here to hunt until the winter hits and they are in their winter range.  Also that is ALOT of elk to have just been harvested in one unit.  Also that is an EXTREMELY remote and hard area to hunt.  There's like 3,000 people that hunt that unit during the general season and they don't kill close to 150 elk in that unit.  So I doubt a handfull of Indians (even if they were super hunters) could harvest 150 elk.  They could do it in the wide open Umptanum in the winter but in a wilderness area without snow where its rugged, remote, no roads and extremely thick..  Not possible. 

People I have noticed want to blame the lack of success and/or seeing animals on everything and anything other than their lack of effort.

 :yeah:  Well said Colock.  I'm not saying all the Natives do road hunt but majority of the ones I know do and if that's how they choose to do it then so be it.  I don't and the Bethel, Nile and Bumping Units are some of my favorite areas due to the very low amount of people I run into.  As far as this year I have yet to run into a fellow native in those areas since I started scouting earlier this year and all the way up to late October.

I'm not saying they don't hunt the area but I've yet to run into any while up there.  I've ran into more natives in the observatory area then the other listed areas except the Rimrock Area.  I know some natives that do frequent this area and pretty much stay within this area.

It just comes down to knowing the area from scouting and gathering as much information as possible on the area.  I love getting out and putting ground underneath my boots and hiking in because I love getting away from people.
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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2011, 01:26:58 PM »
I have seen this tent city first hand it looked like the modern day seen from dances with wolves but instead of Buffalo it was elk.  Savages all of them.

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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2011, 01:29:36 PM »
Posted by: hughjorgan
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I would be inclined to believe what you copy and pasted here but elk were originally plains animals and I highly doubt a lot of these tribes historically hunted deer and elk before the Spanish came about with horses in America. They more than likely subsisted off all the salmon in the rivers. I also doubt that many elk even were in eastern Washington, the channeled scablands isn't exactly ideal habitat.

your argument is full of your own guessing.  words and phrases such as-"be inclined","highly doubt","more than likely", "doubt".
Sounds like your well informed. If you dont know what your talking about just dont post something to stir the pot, its not needed.
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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2011, 02:01:19 PM »
I have seen this tent city first hand it looked like the modern day seen from dances with wolves but instead of Buffalo it was elk.  Savages all of them.
:chuckle: yep im sure, if it was real we'd have heard of it already.

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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2011, 02:04:54 PM »
Funny schit! When one tribe snivels about another tribe destroying Elk they feel they have the only right to destroy themselves.  :chuckle: :chuckle: :dunno: In the end it's all the same.

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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2011, 02:07:02 PM »
Oh come on it is a fact that there weren't any horses in america until the Spaniards brought them to America. Also it is a fact that elk were a plains animal originally.  Your ancestors probably did hunt but not much all the tribal history I have ever seen in the PNW has shown many pictures of Indians fishing. Do you even have evidence that there were elk in the yakima area

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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2011, 02:18:09 PM »
Posted by: hughjorgan
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Oh come on it is a fact that there weren't any horses in america until the Spaniards brought them to America. Also it is a fact that elk were a plains animal originally.  Your ancestors probably did hunt but not much all the tribal history I have ever seen in the PNW has shown many pictures of Indians fishing. Do you even have evidence that there were elk in the yakima area

this is from the WDFW Yakima Elk Herd

Historic Distribution
The Yakima Elk Herd is a reintroduced herd resulting from an initial transplant of 50 Rocky
Mountain elk (Cervus elaphus nelsoni) from Gardiner, Montana in January 1913 and an
additional 6 elk from Montana purchased from Manitou Park in Spokane, Washington in 1913.
These animals were released on the Stevens Ranch on the Naches River (Pautzke et al.1939).
They noted that, “There were no elk native to Yakima County at the time of these plantings, nor
is there definite evidence that elk ever occupied that area in recent times.” Based on recent
archeological records from the Columbia Basin the evidence suggests that elk were present and
utilized by the early inhabitants (Dixon et al. 1996 and McCorquodale 1985). Elk were possibly
extirpated from the region by the late 1880's (McCorquodale 1985).
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Re: Rimrock lake elk
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2011, 02:22:24 PM »
Well, I know for a fact the Clockum elk were delivered to the Clockum by horse trailer and some of the original elk had circle brands with US GOV'T on their ass. A friends grandfather homestead the last Rock house on the right starting up Clockum pass, that is where they were originally dropped. They have some Elk hides with the original brands. His grandfather said they didn't pay the Elk much attention for 4-5 years and then the crop damage problem started. They also have pics of some elk being released.

 


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