Rimrock lake elk

[coachcw]

who's to say that they didn't die of natuarl causes in the 1800's

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

For the sake of preservation of the elk herds, we should work together to monitor the amount of elk harvested by tribal members and regular hunters to make sure we don't over harvest.  I don't care if tribal members can shoot whatever they want, just report it so our game department can make more accurate calculations on herd size and adjust non tribal members permit opportunites accordingly.  The wdfw said in a article regarding the 20th anniversary of the spike only rule in the blues; one of the reasons they had to limit tag numbers still due to lack of cooperation with the tribal members refusing to report kills through a program they had implemented. I think that is fair so we know exactly how many are being harvested each year.

[igotbigbulls]

agreed

[Biggerhammer]

agreed

[coachcw]

 

[hughjorgan]

Posted by: hughjorgan
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Oh come on it is a fact that there weren't any horses in america until the Spaniards brought them to America. Also it is a fact that elk were a plains animal originally.  Your ancestors probably did hunt but not much all the tribal history I have ever seen in the PNW has shown many pictures of Indians fishing. Do you even have evidence that there were elk in the yakima area

this is from the WDFW Yakima Elk Herd

Historic Distribution
The Yakima Elk Herd is a reintroduced herd resulting from an initial transplant of 50 Rocky
Mountain elk (Cervus elaphus nelsoni) from Gardiner, Montana in January 1913 and an
additional 6 elk from Montana purchased from Manitou Park in Spokane, Washington in 1913.
These animals were released on the Stevens Ranch on the Naches River (Pautzke et al.1939).
They noted that, “There were no elk native to Yakima County at the time of these plantings, nor
is there definite evidence that elk ever occupied that area in recent times.” Based on recent
archeological records from the Columbia Basin the evidence suggests that elk were present and
utilized by the early inhabitants (Dixon et al. 1996 and McCorquodale 1985). Elk were possibly
extirpated from the region by the late 1880's (McCorquodale 1985).

Historically. North American elk, were thought to have been absent from the arid steppe habitats of the Columbia Basin of Eastern Washington. Mccorquodale ( 1985.) used zoo archaeological  data to show elk had been present there during the Holocene. Presently available zoo archeological data indicate elk were present during each 1000 yr increment during of the last 5000 years, but those data are not sufficiently robust to allow detection of changes in the range or abundance of elk. Limited data suggest that the introduction of Euroamerican technologies and horses to Native American peoples may have initiated local extirpation of late prehistoric early-pre historic elk.

[Biggerhammer]

Uh, ok..

[hughjorgan]

Did Euroamerican settlement result in extirpation of eastern Washington elk populations? Perhaps, but the introduction of horses and firearms to native American groups in the eighteenth century may have initiated the extirpation process(Schalk 1980). In his review of historic data concerning the Mt. Rainier area just to the west of the southern half of our study area, Schullery(1984:23) found that early nineteenth century Euroamericans were surprised by the paucity of big game and “were inclined to attribute those low numbers to overhunting by tribes in the area.” A similar explanation for the rarity of big game in the Mt. Baker area to the west of our northern half of our study area was offered by Brooks(1930) but disputed by Edson(1930, 1931) who felt Euroamerican hunters were to blame.

[hughjorgan]

http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/org_NWS/NWSci%20journal%20articles/1996%20files/Issue%203/v70%20p262%20Dixon%20and%20Lyman.PDF

You can read the study that I pulled the quotes from yourself Igotbigbulls and PlateauNDN...

It is interesting to note that there is no data available in there chart for frequency of dated assemblages producing elk remains per county for Yakima or Kittitas Counties, the
very area that is so controversial about tribal elk harvest... is there no data because there was no elk, until some sportsman introduced them to these areas? Elk seem to be well
documented in other counties in Eastern Washington by carbon dating and fossils.

[PlateauNDN]

http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/org_NWS/NWSci%20journal%20articles/1996%20files/Issue%203/v70%20p262%20Dixon%20and%20Lyman.PDF

You can read the study that I pulled the quotes from yourself Igotbigbulls and PlateauNDN...

It is interesting to note that there is no data available in there chart for frequency of dated assemblages producing elk remains per county for Yakima or Kittitas Counties, the
very area that is so controversial about tribal elk harvest... is there no data because there was no elk, until some sportsman introduced them to these areas? Elk seem to be well
documented in other counties in Eastern Washington by carbon dating and fossils.

You couldve saved a lot of time by just saying what was already known that elk were not inhabiting the desert areas of Yakima Co.  That's not the area in question, rimrock is which is in the cascade mountain range where elk inhabit and the Yakamas migrated with the seasons to hunt and gather with the changing of the seasons.  We also traveled east to. Other states to hunt a
nd gather so our Ceded area was mainly established as the areas of encampments where most of the time was spent..

[colockumelk]

Don were in western Yakima and Kittitas Counties. There were small numbers that migrated east across the PCT. These elk were Roosevelts. There were elk and I'm sure the Natives hunted them some. But there was not nearly as many elk them as there are now in those two counties.  We can only speculate as to how successful Tribal hunters were before Europeans brought horses. I was always taught in WA history that most of the food the Yakamas relied upon was from gathering fruots and Forbes etc and from salmon. Can't remember if they grew crops or not.

[Willis McGee]

the Yakamas don't need permits or permission for anybody to harvest elk since the rimrock unit is within our Ceded Area

If the Yaks can hunt off reservation, is it OK for me to hunt the head waters of the Klickitat? How bout Petros Sidehill? I can call it my seeded area? I know several Yakima Indians some are OK with it some are not? Will I need a tag or can I just go in there and get me one?

[bullcanyon]

Bet they didn't hunt out of pickup trucks with .300 ultra mags though... Wasnt rimrock the unit where the tribal killers were herding a bull with their truck last season? What ever came of that?

[Willis McGee]

Bet they didn't hunt out of pickup trucks with .300 ultra mags though... Wasnt rimrock the unit where the tribal killers were herding a bull with their truck last season? What ever came of that?

Must have been the Muks the Yaks are too ethical for a stunt like that.