Bigger AR type rifle

[demontang]

model1sales has a 6.5 sporter(grendel) upper for $665 for a complete upper and from what Ive seen they are good uppers.

The .243, 25wssm and 300ossm along with the .338-358wssm all perform just as well as the cal's you can get in a AR10 and with Oly making a new lower that has a longer mag well you can ramp up the wssm more which in a lighter package is better performance and better field manners to me.

[dontgetcrabs]

The Grendel has very little advantage over the 6.8 SPCII out of a 16" barrel. This guy knows the 6.8 very well...  www.ar15performance.com

 

Bring your 6.8 title and we will go rounds out to 600 yards for pink slips. The 6.8 SPC was designed for whacking Tango's in caves. It can't hold with a Grendel out to 600 let alone a 1000 yards. Your comparing apples to oranges. I tried the 6.8 SPC and its a dog compared to the Gredel. Wouldn't mind if you took me up on my offer. I could sell that 6.8 to some chump to fund another 24" Grendel upper.

I never said I had a 6.8, my point was that you need a longer barrel than 16" to get the grendel to work as advertised. Out of a carbine there is little advantage, because the grendel falls off pretty quickly too. If you don't mind lugging around a 24" grendel then you should step up to the 308 platform.   

[Biggerhammer]

The Grendel has very little advantage over the 6.8 SPCII out of a 16" barrel. This guy knows the 6.8 very well...  www.ar15performance.com

 

Bring your 6.8 title and we will go rounds out to 600 yards for pink slips. The 6.8 SPC was designed for whacking Tango's in caves. It can't hold with a Grendel out to 600 let alone a 1000 yards. Your comparing apples to oranges. I tried the 6.8 SPC and its a dog compared to the Gredel. Wouldn't mind if you took me up on my offer. I could sell that 6.8 to some chump to fund another 24" Grendel upper.

I never said I had a 6.8, my point was that you need a longer barrel than 16" to get the grendel to work as advertised. Out of a carbine there is little advantage, because the grendel falls off pretty quickly too. If you don't mind lugging around a 24" grendel then you should step up to the 308 platform.   

Barrel length for barrel length the Grendel still has a big ege and is still the upper performer, bullet weight and BC carries the lack of barrel length to a point. I'm not slamming the 6.8, unless comparing it to the Grendel.( Two completely different creatures) Guys have been using them back east and in Texas with great success on hogs, that is with the  6.8 SPC  SPEC II cchanbers though, the correct twist form the beginning would have saved the 6.8 crowd allot of headaches.

[Biggerhammer]

For those of you that like to customize your AR's in everyway possible, I found these trick extended mag releases at Valkyrie Tactical. I picked of several to try, they extended the mag release just enough for a more positive release with out getting in the way. The textured face really works well when wearing Nomex gloves or such. I just noticed that they only have " Seconds " on hand. I guess they will be get some more in soon, it didn't take long last time they were out.

http://www.valkyrietactical.com/



Also a nice twist when it comes to custom coatings, I have a hanguard with them right now. So I can't speak for the performance of the finish yet but they have built a solid reputation in a short period of time for a quality product.

CRC Hydrographics

http://crchydro.smugmug.com/Portfolio/Firearms-Gallery/16055891_G4bb6#1205024967_btLG2

[JohnVH]

scratch the post, aparently model 1 sales is not good quality

[demontang]

depends on who you talk to. I see alot of people saying the like them and have no problems then I seen people dogging them cause they arnt a show quility gun .

[JohnVH]

I see they have a whole kit pretty much like I want, for $6xx. But a google search shows they shoot 1.5"+ 100yd groups, that not acceptable for any gun to me

[Biggerhammer]

scratch the post, aparently model 1 sales is not good quality

Mod1's are hit or miss, this is a Mod1 stainless 16" upper I put together last spring. Purchased the barrel used from a Deputy Sherrif in Oregon, already had 200 rounds or so through it. I put 1500-1700 on it and traded it of. It was still shooting like this when I traded it. Not bad for a 85.00 used barrel. As you can see bellow , I ran several different loads. The first group pictured has been my 9 twist go to AR load for years, it has shot well in all my 9 twist and has smoked 200+ Rockchucks easily.











In this picture , I can't explain the flyer. The trigger broke perfect, my hold was good, everything felt right. I blamed it on mixed brass loaded on a progressive. Hehehe

[JohnVH]

I wish I knew if Id get a decent one or not, have you heard of J&T? AA?  Im half tempted to get the model 1 and chance it, can always put a better barrel on later if it isnt sub moa, right?

[Biggerhammer]

I wish I knew if Id get a decent one or not, have you heard of J&T? AA?  Im half tempted to get the model 1 and chance it, can always put a better barrel on later if it isnt sub moa, right?

(AA) Is Alexander Arms, the original name sake owner of the trade marked name (6.5 Grendel) by Bill Alexander.In all reality the cartridge has been being shot for years by wildcatters and bench rest shooters. So in all reality many people feel he took credit for a already existing cartridge, hence the disputes and cartridges such as the 264 LBC-AR. Bill might have had a better shot at his master plan if he would have taken a course in buisness 101 and not tried the strong arm tactics that the board and bill have applied . It's pretty much in the tank for them.Heck even Satern Barrels had enough of their greed and royalties, they stopped making the best damn 6.5 Grendel barrels on the planet this last year.

Both the Grendels I posted pictures of earlier in the thread are wearing AA barrels.The reason we purchased them used is due to the fact we ordered new barrels through AA, with a promised delivery date of three months out. That turned into two years and we dumped the orders.Word on the street was, they were selling barrels but not taking care of buisness on their manufacturers end and the barrel builder dumped them.

[demontang]

They use ershaw barrels and I plan on taking a chance and seeing what I get for that price. I've seen good and bad barrels from all the ar guns. Oly has been the best none custom I've shot so far. But I have shot near as much as some people.

[Biggerhammer]

They use ershaw barrels and I plan on taking a chance and seeing what I get for that price. I've seen good and bad barrels from all the ar guns. Oly has been the best none custom I've shot so far. But I have shot near as much as some people.

My Grendel barrels extension is marked "ERS" on it's end. It's a Shaw blank but I don't know who did the contouring and extension installation, it's stamped 6.5 Grendel Alexander Arms.

[emac]

thanks, Ill research a little more, I dont know anyone with a 6.8 anything, from the little Ive researched they seem like a really slow round ( 2500fps ish ), but Ill keep reading

I have a 6.8 rifle and I had a 6.8 pistol custom made.  I started out with a bison armory 18" barell on a stag left handed upper worked great and loved it. Shot a deer at 220 yards one shot no problem.  Then I decided to have the 18" barell cut down to 7.5" barell to make a 6.8 pistol (talk about a fun loud toy).  I decided to put a bison 20" back on the rifle.  Shot my deer the next year at 175. two shots.  I have shot numerous yotes with it. In the picture of the guns they are the top two.

[JohnVH]

thats pretty awesome emac!

I definately am going 6.5 now, just have to figure out the specifics and what not.

This setup is a little enticing for me

[emac]

thats pretty awesome emac!

I definately am going 6.5 now, just have to figure out the specifics and what not.

This setup is a little enticing for me

I have been looking at one of those also.  I just don't think anybody makes left handed bolt carriers for them that i can find.  When I shoot right handed ar they don't bother me at all but the lefties are so much nicer for me.