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BARC3 you ate correct. I should have clarified. I should have said non violent crime free lives. And yea if someone doesn't get T.reeted with PTSD its because they didn't want help.
PTSD as well as most other mental illnesses are not easily detected by the ones "infected" with them. I agree with colokumelk that the military has treatment available but I don't agree that people with PTSD are able to pinpoint their issue easily and just say hey I need help. I'm a firefighter/emt and I've seen dead children and pulled dead people out of buildings. Luckily in the fire service we have a strong support structure. I never that I was that affected until someone mentioned to me to possibly get checked out.
And yea if someone doesn't get T.reeted with PTSD its because they didn't want help.
What a terrible tragedy, especially during the Holidays at a place where people are spending time with the family. That said, I was angry at first, but then after reading the guy was a vet, likely with PTSD (I think I said that right), it's clear the Government still isn't doing enough for some of the vets returning from war, sad. There should be more programs to climatize people like this kid, some need more help than others adjusting after they have been fighting for years.
No one especially me is not down playing the seriousness of PTSD. Everyone is affected differently. It ranges from getting nervous in crowds and getting tense when you hear fire works to suicidal thoughts and abusive and violent thoughts and actions. But when people say our military doesn't do enough to help out with PTSD its because they probably are not in the military or have been recently. The fault is not on the Army, the Iraq war or anyone else. It is 100% his fault.
No one especially me is not down playing the seriousness of PTSD. Everyone is affected differently. It ranges from getting nervous in crowds and getting tense when you hear fire works to suicidal thoughts and abusive and violant thoughts and actions. But when people say our military doesn't do enough to help out with PTSD its because they probate ly are not in the military or have been recently. The fault is not on the Army, the Iraq war or anyone else. It is 100% his fault. From the day we join the military we are taught a out PTSD, the causes effects and warning signs. We continue to get these classes throughout our career. We get the same amount and type of classes on suicide awareness. We take a mental test before and after we get back from a deployment to determine if we had a traumatic brain injury or for signs of PTSD. Part of our pre and post deployment training is alot of PTSD and suicide classes. We are taught to look after each other and as a leader we keep close tabs on our guys. We have 24 hour hotlines available and all the free therapy you can get. There is one on one with a shrink, group classes and group therapy, there is a whole section to tje hospital dedicated to PTSD and TMI. There are free retreats to 5 star resorts, tjere is couples therapy and couples retreats. Even wives get a lot of training to help deal with it. The VA offers all tje free training you want once you get out. My good buddy 4 years after getting out was on the brink of a divorce and an alcoholic and finally got tje help he needed. FOR FREE! It tools four years of friends and family nagging him before he would finally help himself. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.Of course this will just add fuel for the anti war crowd and will try to garner sympathy for this POS and will find some vet who claims he didn't get the help he needed and that this is a direct result of the effects that the war in Iraq had. Like I said it'll be used against us. The drive to prevent vets with PTSD or a history of PTSD from getting a conceal carry permit will be on again.
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on January 02, 2012, 11:57:51 AMQuote from: boneaddict on January 02, 2012, 11:23:23 AMSuicide no doubt.Quite possibly, or he could have fallen or succumbed to hypothermia. Or they might have shot him, and aren't saying anything yet.I don't think he had a plan, heading the one-way road to paradise isn't really a good way to hide from the authorities. I would imagine that when he ran from the car, he really wasn't properly equippedI think he had a plan. I think he knew they would be looking for him for the Skyway shooting. I think he heavily armed himself, had a bullet proof vest and survival gear and headed to paradise to kill as many people as he could before heading into the wilderness to hide(kind of like the Norway Killings). I think he wanted to be seen as some sort of bad a** that the news likes to make a hero out of.Paradise has one way in, imagine trying to get assets into the area when the 911 call comes in of an active shooter at the lodge.I would say that the Ranger that died is a hero. Everything happens for a reason. It would seem that in the grand scheme of things, she gave her life to save many.....Again RIP..
Quote from: boneaddict on January 02, 2012, 11:23:23 AMSuicide no doubt.Quite possibly, or he could have fallen or succumbed to hypothermia. Or they might have shot him, and aren't saying anything yet.I don't think he had a plan, heading the one-way road to paradise isn't really a good way to hide from the authorities. I would imagine that when he ran from the car, he really wasn't properly equipped
Suicide no doubt.
KING TV is reporting he was found and identified. He was wearing jeans, a t-shirt and one shoe. Ed Troyer has stated thgat there is no sign of trauma or violence, and one may assume that hypothermia was the cause of death
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on January 02, 2012, 02:53:30 PMKING TV is reporting he was found and identified. He was wearing jeans, a t-shirt and one shoe. Ed Troyer has stated thgat there is no sign of trauma or violence, and one may assume that hypothermia was the cause of deathWow, a real survivalist huh?A M F