WA FFL charging tax on out of state purchases?

[Special T]

I know that there are camera for "Traffic" on I 205 and I5 crossing the river into oregon. If it looks like you are bringin back a large unlicenaceable purchase like a tractor or Mini excevator, they will track you down for the tax with proof that you brought it into the state... Interstate commerce laws are quite the PITA. In addition any commercial vehicle crossing the state line with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating over 10k, Like a 1 ton Deually, requires a CDL....

As earlier stated it is mostly a matter of practicality of enforcement. If you live in Vancouver and cross the bridge for a case of booze its pretty hard to track you down, and not worth it. But the Tax on a 30K mini ex adds up.  Computer tracking of freight, especially since it seems that the USPS is going to be doing more of the last mile of delivery even for UPS or Fex EX could have big brother looking over your shoulder! 

[Wacenturion]

Why don't these idiots learn how to manage the money we give properly instead of stealing more from us.  Vote them all out...period! 

[Knocker of rocks]

I know that there are camera for "Traffic" on I 205 and I5 crossing the river into oregon. If it looks like you are bringin back a large unlicenaceable purchase like a tractor or Mini excevator, they will track you down for the tax with proof that you brought it into the state...

I call this foil hat urban ledgend

In addition any commercial vehicle crossing the state line with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating over 10k, Like a 1 ton Deually, requires a CDL....

I think you're wrong here.  I believe a DOT Number and a Drivers Health card are required, but not a CDL for vehicles less than 26,000# and without airbrakes or placarded hazardous materials

[Special T]

Well you are wrong on both accounts.

On the second one you should ask any business owner that has been ticketed. I have skated by on this one with a warning. The 26k is within the state. as soon as you cross the state line you are subject to FEDERAL law and not state law. Your quote is from state law.  The state requires at DOT# on on any vehicle over 16k

OR only requires it for over 20k
ID 26k

I wear a  because i have broken MANY laws i had no clue existed. 

[Knocker of rocks]

Well you are wrong on both accounts.

On the second one you should ask any business owner that has been ticketed. I have skated by on this one with a warning. The 26k is within the state. as soon as you cross the state line you are subject to FEDERAL law and not state law. Your quote is from state law.  The state requires at DOT# on on any vehicle over 16k

OR only requires it for over 20k
ID 26k

I wear a  because i have broken MANY laws i had no clue existed. 

You are right about the DOT, things sure have changed since I was a Corporate DOT Compliance officer 15 years ago.

I still don't believe the camera thing

[Special T]

Buy a Mini out of state and see how it works!   What is a "Corporate DOT Compliance officer" ? Is that a CVEO that goes to big trucking companies and inspects them? Or the CVEO that inspects buses and such for school districts and greyhounds and such?  A LOT has changed  in 15 years... What i want to know is when are CVEO's going to give real tickets to all those jack wagons that are moving with a P/U that lose furniture instead of harassing guys that haul stuff on a regular basis? I don't think Atlas van lines loose too many couches on I5!

[Knocker of rocks]

What is a "Corporate DOT Compliance officer"

It is a term I just made up.

I worked for a large multi-state mechanical contractor.  I was in charge of ensuring that all our drivers who drove commercial vehicles out of state, CDL required vehicles were following the law.  I was in charge of all those log books, maintainance records and health certs.

I had to endure about four worthless audits by the DOT.

[xd2005]

Why don't these idiots learn how to manage the money we give properly instead of stealing more from us.  Vote them all out...period!

Technically, those buying out-of-state or online and not paying tax are the ones "stealing," the government is simply trying to enforce the law.

[Special T]

Ahhhh, Fewwww... I thought you worked for "the man" and was trying to entrap me!  If you have been audited by the DOT enforcement arm then you know the drill. I'm kinda puzzled that you think i'm  after getting the proctology exam 4 x...

[Wacenturion]

Why don't these idiots learn how to manage the money we give properly instead of stealing more from us.  Vote them all out...period!

Technically, those buying out-of-state or online and not paying tax are the ones "stealing," the government is simply trying to enforce the law.

So I purchase a gun or other items online from a business out of state.  Which is worse, not supporting a business in this country because I have to pay use or sales tax when it gets here, or by helping out a business in a state where there is no sales tax.  I would rather help the over all economy, in this country, rather than just avoid purchases that benefit someone, because of the tax once it gets here.

Stealing on our end....don't think so.   

[xd2005]

Why don't these idiots learn how to manage the money we give properly instead of stealing more from us.  Vote them all out...period!

Technically, those buying out-of-state or online and not paying tax are the ones "stealing," the government is simply trying to enforce the law.

So I purchase a gun or other items online from a business out of state.  Which is worse, not supporting a business in this country because I have to pay use or sales tax when it gets here, or by helping out a business in a state where there is no sales tax.  I would rather help the over all economy, in this country, rather than just avoid purchases that benefit someone, because of the tax once it gets here.

Stealing on our end....don't think so.   

You can justify as you want...doesn't change the fact that you owe state use tax when purchasing online or out of state and by not paying it you are cheating the state (including each of us) by not paying.

[Special T]

$$$ will find all the crack and loop holes. the state will put up as many barriers as possible so that they can raise taxes. when the difference between other options are high people will find a way. What the state NEVER thinks about is how people will act AFTER a price increase due to taxes ect. They think if 100 people bought a half of rum this month and we raise the tax to X our tax will increase by X. People change habits when they have enough. maybe they don't buy out of state, maybe they just drink less, get a more fuel efficient car or just stay out of the city so they don't have to pay extra tax... Maybe i decide to grow my own tobacco, or brew my own beer...  people get tired of being jacked around, and when they reach thier limit they do something different. Usually avoid paying MORE. 

[Wacenturion]

Why don't these idiots learn how to manage the money we give properly instead of stealing more from us.  Vote them all out...period!

Technically, those buying out-of-state or online and not paying tax are the ones "stealing," the government is simply trying to enforce the law.

So I purchase a gun or other items online from a business out of state.  Which is worse, not supporting a business in this country because I have to pay use or sales tax when it gets here, or by helping out a business in a state where there is no sales tax.  I would rather help the over all economy, in this country, rather than just avoid purchases that benefit someone, because of the tax once it gets here.

Stealing on our end....don't think so.   

You can justify as you want...doesn't change the fact that you owe state use tax when purchasing online or out of state and by not paying it you are cheating the state (including each of us) by not paying.

Oh horse puckey.  Just because some morons in Olympia make rules to take more and more of our money doesn't make it right.  Just like the $30 license plate the citizens of this state voted in.  Since that passed, the idiots who represent us make up all kinds of new little fees to tack on to get around it, thereby raising the total plate fees back up again. 

Then they start charging us $26 for new cheaper license plates every few years saying that they have to do that to make sure they are legible.  Oh yeah like our old plates on vehicles we've had for 10, 20, or even 30 years are so bad you can't read them....BS!  Then they sneak in the $5 State Park donation, until we became aware of it and opt out when renewing

And you accuse me I'm cheating.   

[xd2005]

Maybe if people didn't cheat the system they wouldn't need to keep raising fees. 

[pianoman9701]

This clearly illustrates that raising taxes to meet budget shortfalls doesn't work. We created a sales tax and what do people do? They buy elsewhere. Are these people breaking the law? You bet they are. Is the law just? That's certainly questionable.

Taxes stifle economic growth. And our sales tax is a prime example of that. The businesses in WA, especially those along our borders with states that either don't have sales tax, or with those who waive it for out-of-staters (I hate that we do that in WA, by the way), lose out because our residents would rather break the law and buy out of state than frequent our own businesses.