Hunting with a bow during muzzleloader season

[bobcat]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

[pianoman9701]

Why wouldn't everyone just buy a C tag?

[bobcat]

Why wouldn't everyone just buy a C tag?

For the same reasons they don't buy a modern firearm tag now.   

[Curly]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

I  think they need to change it to primitive weapon season and allow flintlocks and longbows only.  Just one season at the same time for blackpowder and longbows.

[grundy53]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

That changes nothing but the name of the season. All my arguments would still apply. The only thing I think that would even it out would be opening up more units for the "B/ Muzzleloader season".

[bobcat]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

I  think they need to change it to primitive weapon season and allow flintlocks and longbows only.  Just one season at the same time for blackpowder and longbows.

That will never happen. How many people do you know who want to hunt with a flintlock or a non-compound bow?

[Curly]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

I  think they need to change it to primitive weapon season and allow flintlocks and longbows only.  Just one season at the same time for blackpowder and longbows.

That will never happen. How many people do you know who want to hunt with a flintlock or a non-compound bow?

I know it won't happen.  I bet some would if they had seasons during the rut.

[bobcat]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

That changes nothing but the name of the season. All my arguments would still apply. The only thing I think that would even it out would be opening up more units for the "B/ Muzzleloader season".

Well that seems to be the issue for some people. They say, it's called "muzzleloader season" so you should have to hunt with a muzzleloader. Just don't call it muzzleloader season anymore (since it isn't).

Doesn't Idaho have what they call a "short range weapon" season?

[bobcat]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

I  think they need to change it to primitive weapon season and allow flintlocks and longbows only.  Just one season at the same time for blackpowder and longbows.

That will never happen. How many people do you know who want to hunt with a flintlock or a non-compound bow?

I know it won't happen.  I bet some would if they had seasons during the rut.

Maybe but would it be fair that the muzzleloaders and bows that people have invested money into would becomce worthless?

[Curly]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

That changes nothing but the name of the season. All my arguments would still apply. The only thing I think that would even it out would be opening up more units for the "B/ Muzzleloader season".

Well that seems to be the issue for some people. They say, it's called "muzzleloader season" so you should have to hunt with a muzzleloader. Just don't call it muzzleloader season anymore (since it isn't).

Doesn't Idaho have what they call a "short range weapon" season?

In Idaho, do hunters have to pick their weapon.  OR do they get to hunt every season and use the appropriate weapon for the season like we used to be able to do in this state 30 years ago?

[Curly]

Well, what do you guys think about my suggestion to simply change the names of the seasons? Instead of archery, muzzleloader, and modern firearm, we'll have A, B, and C.

A tag is archery, B tag is archery or muzzleloader, C tag is anything.

I  think they need to change it to primitive weapon season and allow flintlocks and longbows only.  Just one season at the same time for blackpowder and longbows.

That will never happen. How many people do you know who want to hunt with a flintlock or a non-compound bow?

I know it won't happen.  I bet some would if they had seasons during the rut.

Maybe but would it be fair that the muzzleloaders and bows that people have invested money into would becomce worthless?

No, but not much that our gov dictates is fair.   Besides they could still use their more modern "primitive" weapons during the modern season.

[bobcat]

In Idaho, do hunters have to pick their weapon.  OR do they get to hunt every season and use the appropriate weapon for the season like we used to be able to do in this state 30 years ago?

They have an "A" tag and a "B" tag. The A tag has more archery seasons but still some rifle and muzzleloader. The B tag is mostly the rifle seasons but also some muzzleloader (I think). Maybe someone more familiar with it can explain. (since I've never hunted in Idaho). I love some of Idaho's rules and seasons. Like the one where you can use your deer tag on a bear or cougar if you choose to do so.

[dreamingbig]

Modern bows are not less of a weapon and in many cases are more of a weapon. First and most important is the rate of fire. I could get off at least 5 or 6 arrows in the time it takes to reload a ML. Secondly, a well tuned bow can shoot as accurately as a ML up to 100 yards (don't start; I don't take 100 yard shots at living things). A bow is also quiet, so the opportunity for a second shot is more likely than with a ML.

You wrote this.  Some other comments in previous posts have tried to make modern compounds equal to muzzleloaders as well.  My point is that the ethical killing distance for the average hunter is much greater with a muzzleloader than a bow.

I will give you that you can make a second shot faster with a bow than a muzzleloader if the animal is still around.

[grundy53]

Modern bows are not less of a weapon and in many cases are more of a weapon. First and most important is the rate of fire. I could get off at least 5 or 6 arrows in the time it takes to reload a ML. Secondly, a well tuned bow can shoot as accurately as a ML up to 100 yards (don't start; I don't take 100 yard shots at living things). A bow is also quiet, so the opportunity for a second shot is more likely than with a ML.

You wrote this.  Some other comments in previous posts have tried to make modern compounds equal to muzzleloaders as well.  My point is that the ethical killing distance for the average hunter is much greater with a muzzleloader than a bow.

I will give you that you can make a second shot faster with a bow than a muzzleloader if the animal is still around.

Also bows are more reliable in the rain/wet conditions. Although I still think bows are a slightly lesser weapon, I feel that isn't really even the issue. It's an issue of opportunity, hunting pressure, and  competition for special permits (Which hasn't really been brought up. But if a bow hunter buys a muzzy tag those muzzy permits are all he can put in for. Therefore worsens the draw odds for true muzzleloader hunters and improves the odds for people that buy bow tags.).

[pianoman9701]

Modern bows are not less of a weapon and in many cases are more of a weapon. First and most important is the rate of fire. I could get off at least 5 or 6 arrows in the time it takes to reload a ML. Secondly, a well tuned bow can shoot as accurately as a ML up to 100 yards (don't start; I don't take 100 yard shots at living things). A bow is also quiet, so the opportunity for a second shot is more likely than with a ML.

You wrote this.  Some other comments in previous posts have tried to make modern compounds equal to muzzleloaders as well.  My point is that the ethical killing distance for the average hunter is much greater with a muzzleloader than a bow.

I will give you that you can make a second shot faster with a bow than a muzzleloader if the animal is still around.

Like I've said twice since posting that, that's the reasoning that DFW used to prohibit the use of archery equipment during ML season. I didn't push for it. Apparently, they've since changed their minds.