IN the RUT????

[bucklucky]

The bulls will talk more in the later stages of the rut. Just because you dont hear them doesnt mean they are not rutting 

[boneaddict]

They fire about Sept 15th.  Have brought them in screaming as early as Aug 11th, but its rare and quite frankly I am a damn good caller. 

[TheHunt]

This weekend I saw a spike fire off. 

[Opportunist]

Before/After bow season and before the muzzle hunt. Sept 22-30. A guy doesn't want to mess up another hunters permit hunt by calling to bulls he doesn't have a tag for at that time. A guy can be out there during the peak dates without interfering with others hunts.  I saw guys up in the Naches last year calling bulls with no weapon/tag during the bow season. Kind of the old "Golden Rule" deal.

If the only call you have is the hoochie your better off sitting on ridge tops an hour before light and the last hour until dark and listening versus trying to call.

This will probably piss off a few guys but I really don't give a *censored*. I can't stand the bugling after dark theory of locating bulls for the next day, it just dicks up the bulls even worse. I've seen this crap in Washington, Oregon and Idaho anywhere where there is too much pressure so guys take it one step further and really screw it up by calling at night. One campsite in Southeast Idaho we hunted out of was just up from the trailhead on a small ridge. The bulls would serenade us every night. Invariably throughout the two weeks we were there, trucks would pull up to the trailhead around midnight get out and fire off a series of bugles and the bulls would go silent. It would crack us up because before the rig pulled up the bulls were already going on their own. The guys would get back in their truck slam their doors and drive off and the bulls would resume their serenade. I just don't get it, the bulls are callshy during the day so let's make it worse and call at night when we can't kill 'em!

  Sorry!

[bucklucky]

IDid I say drive around and bugle at night? Uh nope! Youll here them alot at night if you go around and listen. I do it all the time and works awesome. Got on them in the morning with ease. Listen to what Opportunist just posted, its good info

[Opportunist]

Bucklucky, I wasn't aiming my mini rant at anyone, it just got me thinking about a real pet peeve of mine. I've just ran into alot of hunters on hunts that do what I was ranting about and I thought I'd voice my opinion that's why I apologized about thread jacking. I'm a big fan of sitting in the dark and just listening for bulls. I listened to the bull I killed last year for a good hour after dark, him and three other bulls and never made a call, didn't need to they were going on their own. Then slipped out of there and killed him the next morning.

Missionbigbull2008, Good luck on your hunt! If I had the late october rifle tag I'd put most of my energy scouting during the rifle deer hunt, right before your hunt. I always do my best scouting while I'm hunting and deer season is right there and the bulls should still be talking. Shoot straight!

[bucklucky]

I understood what you were saying and understood completely

[backwoods_boy]

Great tips thanks guys!
im very anxious to find a big bull.
My dad and brother and i all have tags which is pretty cool cause my dad used to take my brother and i hunting when i was a little guy, now i am running the show but my dad is a wise hunter.  I just dont want to eat tag soup and especially not 3 tags.
thanks again guys!