I agree with elkinrut. I have been hunting elk 14 years and have gotten one cow and got my first spike last year. I have seen spikes before but they were either to far or gave me the slip. A couple I just plan missed. And I know people that have hunted alot longer than me that haven't had very good success. But its not all about the kill. Its more about the good times and getting away from everyday life. So only after 3 years of hunting you/he shouldn't be getting discouraged. If that was the case I think alot of people that hunt elk in washington would of given up along time ago.