Possible wolf attack.

[Kain]

So how do you propose they will manage their numbers then.  I dont like poison either and I wasn't calling for it.  I was simply saying it took all of that to take them out.  You think hunters will be able to control them?  Is that working anywhere else?  Doesnt really matter if you agree with trapping or not because they are not legal.  Only cage traps are allowed and you would have to have one fancy cage trap to get a wolf.   

I don't want hunters to lose their rights, but I don't completely trust the 'sportsman' community to  be unbiased about running it either. When you boil it down, i don't trust anyone in all of this. But we have to choose the lesser of two evils, right?

Unbiased?  why should we not have a bias?  Why should we not look out for ourselves?  Are you doing it?  LOL  People agreed to population goals for the experimental wolf recovery.  They were betrayed at every turn.  We are not the ones that are untrustworthy.  If hunters believe for a second that all possible measures would be taken to manage wolves responsibly there would not be many that had any problem with some wolves.  You already know that that is blown out of the water with the disaster of a wolf plan. 

[humanure]

So what is the lesser evil then?

Still figuring that one out as we go along. I'm quite critical of both sides. I'm really disappointed with how the wolf side isn't taking the hunting supporters as serious as they should. They shouldnt assume they can sweep them under the rug. I'm also disappointed in the hunting side for some of the attitudes I've seen with religious bigotry, lack of care for anything besides themselves and total childishness(how can you expect to gain support by calling the opposition '*censored*s'?).

[Kowsrule30]

If you wanna talk religeon start a correct thread.... This is how to get rid of wolf's....     

[ICEMAN]

You are kidding, right?

Try loggin into a peta site or a wolf lovers site and see how long you are allowed the opportunity to post your differing opinion. We are proving right now that we are more accepting than our adversary.

[humanure]

Unbiased?  why should we not have a bias?  Why should we not look out for ourselves?

I guess I'm too giving of a person to pretty much never worry about myself my whole life. I'm a man of sacrifice(and I have sacrificed alot, physically and figuratively). Thats where we truly disagree, I think. I never think about myself and my 'needs' and 'wants'. I'm always thinking about others. If I believe something is wrong, I try to right it. I love tradition, but tradition falls to the wayside in my eyes if I think it's detrimental to a circumstance at hand. Hunting is an AMAZING past time and tradition, but that doesn't mean it's infallable. Is that all a huge fault on my part? Thats for others to decide, I guess.

[humanure]

You are kidding, right?

Try loggin into a peta site or a wolf lovers site and see how long you are allowed the opportunity to post your differing opinion. We are proving right now that we are more accepting than our adversary.

I wasn't talking about this place.

[Kain]

Unbiased?  why should we not have a bias?  Why should we not look out for ourselves?

I guess I'm too giving of a person to pretty much never worry about myself my whole life. I'm a man of sacrifice(and I have sacrificed alot, physically and figuratively). Thats where we truly disagree, I think. I never think about myself and my 'needs' and 'wants'. I'm always thinking about others. If I believe something is wrong, I try to right it. I love tradition, but tradition falls to the wayside in my eyes if I think it's detrimental to a circumstance at hand. Hunting is an AMAZING past time and tradition, but that doesn't mean it's infallable. Is that all a huge fault on my part? Thats for others to decide, I guess.

IF there was a mass die off due to disease or natural event you would see hunters giving up not only our seasons but probably a lot of time and money also to see things put right.  We are very proud our dollars get used for enforcement and habitat recovery and protection.  We are true conservationists.  But letting people crap on you, your family, your heritage, your livelihood, or your way of life and not standing up for yourself is some kind of mental disorder. 

[humanure]

Hey, I'm not saying it isn't honorable to do that.

But when people spout off about 'our money', 'our rights', and 'OUR HERDS'... sometimes it comes off, depending on how it is said, like people just want this place to be a huge elk farm and nothing else. Not saying thats what your saying, but thats the attitude I get from the testimonies at the public meetings.

[Klyne3]

Hey, I'm not saying it isn't honorable to do that.

But when people spout off about 'our money', 'our rights', and 'OUR HERDS'... sometimes it comes off, depending on how it is said, like people just want this place to be a huge elk farm and nothing else. Not saying thats what your saying, but thats the attitude I get from the testimonies at the public meetings.

Sorry that is the impression that you have managed to pick up but if you look at the facts it's the hunters who spend money for tags, permits, passes, outfitters, etc. so it is Our money. It is OUR herds - who else helps out? It is OUR right - to continue the tradition of hunting and be able to pass it down to our children.

[humanure]

But when you try to take a claim on something like that... I don't know. It still comes off bad. I get where you come from with the money aspect and all, but still, this land isn't here ONLY for the 'sportsman'(sorry, i have to admit that I hate that word) and hunters.

Plus, I wouldn't take anything for granted. You never know, they could decide to take money from other revenues and you guys won't have that stake in the discussion anymore. Anything is possible at this point.

[Kowsrule30]

But when you try to take a claim on something like that... I don't know. It still comes off bad. I get where you come from with the money aspect and all, but still, this land isn't here ONLY for the 'sportsman'(sorry, i have to admit that I hate that word) and hunters.

Plus, I wouldn't take anything for granted. You never know, they could decide to take money from other revenues and you guys won't have that stake in the discussion anymore. Anything is possible at this point.

They already take revenue from tag sales and put it toward OTHER STUFF.....        Ask gregwhore.... you voted for her...    

[humanure]

Actually, i didn't.

[bearpaw]

At this point there are no other revenues. Just a simple fact, the *censored*s have broken all the treasuries of this land and other lands.

[Kowsrule30]

Actually, i didn't.

Don't buy it..... You've cried wolf too many times in the last hour for me to believe a word you spell...Too many key board lies...

[humanure]

Thats cool, no matter to me. But yeah, i didn't vote at all with the governors.