State helps protect livestock from wolves

[crnbndr]

I know alot of ranchers, hunters, and sportsmen. None of them are if favor of having wolves in this state. None of them were in favor of reintroducing them to begin with. Government grants and WDFW monies to be proactive is taxpayer money. You act as if it grows on trees. Plus they hired 4-5 more people to monitor the wolves. More of my money!!! It is no wonder this state is going broke.

[TWG2A]

Look up "Ideological subversion".

We're in big trouble.

Those who don't "get it" by now are lost forever   How very sad for them, and how terribly tragic for America and Her Citizens.

How tragic for the entire world. WIthout America, there is no Freedom and Liberty ANYWHERE.  Our beacon is about to be extinguished forever.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Look up "Ideological subversion".

We're in big trouble.

Those who don't "get it" by now are lost forever   How very sad for them, and how terribly tragic for America and Her Citizens.

How tragic for the entire world. WIthout America, there is no Freedom and Liberty ANYWHERE.  Our beacon is about to be extinguished forever.

    Did you get that DB?

[villageidiot]

  These fixes they propose are made up by the wolf supporters sitting at their computers.  They are assuming the rancher has unlimited amount of money to pay range riders so just go hire a man with all your extra cash.  Every farmer rancher I know can barely afford to buy beans after his expenses.  Then they don't seem to know that when cattle are turned out on range they split up.  If the Forest Service sees all the cattle bunched up they contact the rancher because they are devastating and area being all bunched up.  Cattle disperse in small groups over thousands of acres to more evenly use the forage and this is how it works and has worked forever. You can not bunch up the cattle or you will devastate the land.  As far as the flaggery goes, that's a hoax too.  If you get caught throwing out one piece of plastic you will be cited with a littering fine.  Now the rancher is expected to put thousands of pieces of garbage on his fences and litter the forests.  Who has time to tie all thes flags up, who has the money, how many little animals will swallow and choke on these pieces of junk?  This trial they did was on 3 acres in the open.  Try putting flags on 100,000 acres much of which is not fenced or on extremely rugged ground.  Once a big tree falls on a section of flagging it's on the ground and then doesn't deter the wolves.  Who's got time to go check the flaggery often? 
  If they want solutions they need to ask the ranchers for solutions.  They do have solutions but nobody seems to want to listen to the people that are affected.  I just don't understand why they keep wanting the people that are not affected for solutions when they don't have a clue of what all the problems are with their solutions.  Ask the people that have dealt with the wolves what works.  You don't ask a stock market analyst how to plumb a house so don't ask people that don't know how to keep wolves from eating cows.

[TWG2A]

It's all part of a unbelievably HUGE and diabolical scheme.

It wouldn't be so bad if it were just the glassy eyeds tumbling off that cliff.  They are taking us ALL with them.

I used to be angry at them. 
Then I pitied them.
Now, I'm indifferent about them  They just need to stay away from me, and get out of my way

[bearpaw]

I am be wrong on this but, it sounds like "we" the tax payers are putting up the bill for a bandage fix to satisfy the liberal agenda. Just my opinion.

Yes, we are all paying for this whole wolf fiasco since the beginning in 1995.

They are assuming the rancher has unlimited amount of money to pay range riders so just go hire a man with all your extra cash.

Not only is the cost prohibitive but riding out on the open range and looking over the herd simply isn't going to happen in many areas of Washington. Many areas have far too heavy of cover and it's impossible to just ride cross country with a horse in that heavy cover.

What a joke....

[TWG2A]

Here's an excellent documentary on the issue. Well worth your time viewing it and passing it along....

http://cryingwolfmovie.com/

[nwwanderer]

When Washington state and the feds give the wolf the same status as the coyote and stop throwing money at them I will applaude the effort.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I agree with humanure on this one.  It's good the state is doing something- it's the logical first step.  If wolves ignore the fladry and cause trouble they can move towards another option at that time. 

It really does sound like lots of you just want to bitch about something.

[Moose22]

Humanure, I try to respect your opinion and I will force myself to listen to your opinion but, when you throw in comments that are not mentioned in these threads you lose. I mentioned nothing about illegal activities, such as poaching as you aggressively state. Your stereotypical attitude does shine brightly and yes so does mine.

I don't see how waving some pink flags or electrical strands is going to stave off one the primer predators of all time while destroying the livelihoods of ranchers/farmers/hunters/photographers/etc.

Yes, we are all paying for this whole wolf fiasco since the beginning in 1995.

I believe you and your supporters should be paying for these trivial attempts at keeping wolves at bay (as you call it cohabitation). It seems that you are willing to allow others to work harder for their livelyhood to satisfy your personal agenda.

Lets use real solutions on predation rather than fluffy political agendas.

[BOWHUNTER45]

  These fixes they propose are made up by the wolf supporters sitting at their computers.  They are assuming the rancher has unlimited amount of money to pay range riders so just go hire a man with all your extra cash.  Every farmer rancher I know can barely afford to buy beans after his expenses.  Then they don't seem to know that when cattle are turned out on range they split up.  If the Forest Service sees all the cattle bunched up they contact the rancher because they are devastating and area being all bunched up.  Cattle disperse in small groups over thousands of acres to more evenly use the forage and this is how it works and has worked forever. You can not bunch up the cattle or you will devastate the land.  As far as the flaggery goes, that's a hoax too.  If you get caught throwing out one piece of plastic you will be cited with a littering fine.  Now the rancher is expected to put thousands of pieces of garbage on his fences and litter the forests.  Who has time to tie all thes flags up, who has the money, how many little animals will swallow and choke on these pieces of junk?  This trial they did was on 3 acres in the open.  Try putting flags on 100,000 acres much of which is not fenced or on extremely rugged ground.  Once a big tree falls on a section of flagging it's on the ground and then doesn't deter the wolves.  Who's got time to go check the flaggery often? 
  If they want solutions they need to ask the ranchers for solutions.  They do have solutions but nobody seems to want to listen to the people that are affected.  I just don't understand why they keep wanting the people that are not affected for solutions when they don't have a clue of what all the problems are with their solutions.  Ask the people that have dealt with the wolves what works.  You don't ask a stock market analyst how to plumb a house so don't ask people that don't know how to keep wolves from eating cows.

  DUUUUUUUDE .... NICELY DONE ....Especially the part about the plumber That explains things to a tee !!!!

[Killmore]

Electric fences,what a joke,they claim 90% reduction in death but the 10% is where the farmer would have made his profit.

[Moose22]

I agree with humanure on this one.  It's good the state is doing something- it's the logical first step.  If wolves ignore the fladry and cause trouble they can move towards another option at that time. 

It really does sound like lots of you just want to bitch about something.

Yes, you are right the State is doing something. Do you think there will be results with these tactics they are persuing because I sure don't.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I think it will help in the calving pens.  It's not realistic for range- everyone knows that. 

[seth30]

I think it will help in the calving pens.  It's not realistic for range- everyone knows that.

not the people that live in urban jungles