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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #105 on: May 15, 2012, 02:20:19 PM »
I believe anybody can look and see if any permits have been pulled for that area to build a house, lodge, ranch, etc. Big money isn't taking away hunters rights. That is private property. Hunters have been allowed to hunt on it it the past. Not anymore. It was a privilege, not a right.

Yes I hunt. Sorry but I would rather not say where I hunt on a public forum. If I get a spring bear I will post a pic just for you. Nodak is short for North Dakota. I work 2 weeks in North Dakota, and fly home to Washington on my off week. Repeat 2 weeks on, 1 week off.

Serious question. There is no way to access the public property? It is land locked? My maps don't show the private/public very well.

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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #106 on: May 15, 2012, 02:26:08 PM »
thanks. Not talking about any permits he or his buddys can hunt it with a depredation tag if and when an elk eats a nobel fir or does any damage to said property and in some cases does not have to turn in harvest reports or anything to the department. Not saying this will happen but some people are worried that it could. Hope you get a bear looks like there moving around now.

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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #107 on: May 15, 2012, 02:37:09 PM »
Yes.. one man died falling off the bluffs coming out the back way after dark with his bull....  There was a thread on here about him.  He went up what everyone calls "the hunter's trail"  not much of a trail, but if you want in there is really limited access without access through those high lakes or the Miners Creek area....  NO roads at all in the National Monument part.. you can not stay overnight either, and can not leave the trails....   no fires, etc... get the idea here?  That access point was THE ACCESS point.

I know a wounded vet, that was all jacked up to get a chance to draw that unit he had hunted one other time as a teenager...  Not anymore, there is no handicapped access or access at all for anyone that is not 25-30 years old and willing to hike 5-10 miles in and out every day .... on trails with sheer bluffs, and the possibility of ice and snow trapping you in there...

YOUR RIGHT Branden... should just say OH WELL....  go find some other unit to hunt for quality Rosie bull elk....  ignore the fact the WDFW and the rich property owners are most likely in cahoots and screwing us.... 

I hope you never have it happen to your favorite hunting/hiking grounds... 

Then again, you never do answer me.. maybe you are part of the rich group .... thinking hunting should be a rich man's game, less crowds, no working class riff raff to be in the way of your hunts..... or maybe Agnews best bud????  So you have access??? 
Or ?????

And hunting should be a RIGHT in this state.. not a privilege that can be suspended without cause by whomever for whatever....... 
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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #108 on: May 15, 2012, 02:52:58 PM »
It sounds like he's screwing anyone by locking out the public.  Some people's kids!

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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #109 on: May 15, 2012, 03:34:07 PM »
Branden, you are not getting the full story. Most of the land in question was originally Forest Service land. After St Helens blew, Weyerhaeuser logged all the blown timber from their lands near the mountain. The USFS and Weyco then did a land swap. The Weyco lands became the Volcanic Monument and the USFS 'High Lakes' became a part of Weyco vast holdings. Weyerhaeuser made $ out BIG TIME!! Harvest $ and real estate $. On good authority, Weyco offered several prime lots to their executive board members, long before it was ever offered on the open market.

I have recreated and hunted this area for nearly 40 yrs.  I hold the USFS AND Weyco accountable for this travesty played on the hunters and recreationalists of this state. As a young kid, my parents took me on campouts and fishing trips to this wonderful area. I will never get that opportunity to do the same for my family. Yes there are nice bulls in that area. I have 14 pts and hope to draw a m/l permit for the Margaret this year. If I draw, you DAMNED bet I will do WHATEVER it takes to hunt where I want. Branden, please take the time to do a little research before you start spewing your rhetoric.
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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #110 on: May 15, 2012, 03:49:48 PM »
Branden, you are not getting the full story. Most of the land in question was originally Forest Service land. After St Helens blew, Weyerhaeuser logged all the blown timber from their lands near the mountain. The USFS and Weyco then did a land swap. The Weyco lands became the Volcanic Monument and the USFS 'High Lakes' became a part of Weyco vast holdings. Weyerhaeuser made $ out BIG TIME!! Harvest $ and real estate $. On good authority, Weyco offered several prime lots to their executive board members, long before it was ever offered on the open market.

I have recreated and hunted this area for nearly 40 yrs.  I hold the USFS AND Weyco accountable for this travesty played on the hunters and recreationalists of this state. As a young kid, my parents took me on campouts and fishing trips to this wonderful area. I will never get that opportunity to do the same for my family. Yes there are nice bulls in that area. I have 14 pts and hope to draw a m/l permit for the Margaret this year. If I draw, you DAMNED bet I will do WHATEVER it takes to hunt where I want. Branden, please take the time to do a little research before you start spewing your rhetoric.


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Margaret Unit
« Reply #111 on: May 15, 2012, 05:07:57 PM »
Branden you obviously don't hunt this area and don't get it! When wdfw is supposedly working hand in hand with private ownership to grant access, well it looks like they dropped the ball on this one!  When you hike in and see what we see you'll understand the quality but yet the history of the unit and the hunt!!!!

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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #112 on: May 15, 2012, 05:23:55 PM »
I'm a friend of Mr. Agnew and asked him about the gossip and speculation appearing in this thread about the St. Helens Noble Farms acreage.

To set the record straight, there are no plans to use this property for a private wildlife management or hunting area, no current plans to get land owner hunting permits, no "extra" monies changed hands or were paid to anyone at the time of acquisition, and the property is being managed for some logging but primarily for the commercial production of noble fir boughs which can only be cut and harvested between mid-September and the first part of December (there are as many as 30 - 40 workers on the site during this 10 week period and for safety reasons, this is why the property is closed to the public during elk hunting seasons). Those wishing to "dig further" can save yourselves a lot of time.

Well maybe you can ask Mr. Agnew... why do hundreds of bough cutters work in the National Forest during the same time... NONE of them get shot at...  There are only 50 rifle hunters in the Margaret Unit.. the rest are Archery or Muzzy guys....  Not like the zoo that is the Winston or the Lewis units, to name 2....   So that dog does not hunt...  just more smoke & mirrors.

If there is a safety concern, Blaze Orange jumpsuits do wonders...  just ask WDFW about the Blaze Orange requirment...

Also, there are rumors of cabins and a lodge in the plans.  Surely that is just to house the workers right?????

Until Mr. Agnew is willing to open this land up for public use again, he surely must know, he will be nothing but vilified in SW Washington and by every Elk, Deer and Bear hunter that ever used that area or wanted to use that area....  My nieces and nephews will never get to hike into that country like I did many many times..

OH, and just so you can tell him this too... the digging has already begun...  to many ticked off hunters want answers they are not getting from the Department of Watchable Wildlife and Money Whores..    I am beginning to wonder what an investigative reporter with the right connections could turn up?  Might have to call in a couple of favors.

If he really thinks we hunters will believe a crock of *censored* like what you have passed on to us.... he really needs some help.  There is no other reason to buy the single best elk hunting area in Western Washington for trophy elk, or high country blacktail, or big blackbear, then lock all the hunters out. 
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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #113 on: May 15, 2012, 05:37:35 PM »
You know.. just had a thought...

I wonder how long it would take to turn the area into a WILDERNESS AREA....   It is critical elk habitat, and is part of the blast zone from the eruption in 1980.   That would kill any building in that area..  keep any cabins or lodges from being built..

Hmmmmmmmm.... just tossing ideas around as I sit and think on this.......

I wonder how Mr. Agnew would like the tree huggers turned loose on him?? 

Strange bedfellows, agreed...  but, to a common goal?????  why not??? 

If we hunters are gonna lose it all, why not anyone that owns the land as well.

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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #114 on: May 15, 2012, 05:47:50 PM »
Huntbear, tried to send PM. Your box is full
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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #115 on: May 15, 2012, 05:50:01 PM »
Newspaper article from 3 years ago:

http://tdn.com/business/local/article_2230a6a6-8b84-5525-88bc-6b152fad5938.html


Mount St. Helens panel to recommend High Lakes land swap, Forest Service management
 
By Barbara LaBoe

Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2009 12:00 am

Mount St. Helens should not be a national park but it does need more money, access and accommodations, an advisory committee decided Thursday. Public access to the nearby High Lakes area also should be ensured, committee members agreed.

It’s unclear how many of the goals will be realized — and there are some dissenting opinions attached to the report. But Congressional Mount St. Helens Advisory Committee members said they are pleased with their 15-month effort.

Many of the proposals are expensive. Committee members acknowledged that but said their task was to envision the future of the area, not how to pay for each item.

Cowlitz County Commissioner Axel Swanson said he believes the discussion has energized the Forest Service, which manages the volcano area, and will lead to administrative changes that require no money.

The report will be presented to the area’s federal lawmakers in August. The committee was created to tap local suggestions about the future of the volcano and the 110,000-acre Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument.

Members hashed out proposed recommendations in February and made mostly minor adjustments Thursday.

Efforts to make the volcano a national park once again failed to gain support.

Committee members Mark Smith and Mark Plotkin argued against the recommendation for continued Forest Service management. Smith said the committee hadn’t done a through enough analysis of what a national park would entail. He said the decision should be left to Congress.

“I have a really hard time supporting this remaining in the Forest Service based on the lack of performance for the past 28 years,” Mark Smith said. He owns the Eco Park Resort near the volcano.

Plotkin, director of the Cowlitz County Tourism Bureau, argued a National Park would increase tourism and that most of committee’s other recommendations are things the Park Service already does.

The Gifford Pinchot Task Force environmental group solicited hundreds of postcards supporting National Park status and the National Parks Conservation Association advocacy group also coordinated at least 600 pro-park e-mails to committee members.

At the public hearings in Kelso and Camas, though, there was strong support for continued Forest Service management as long as federal funding is increased.

Skamania County Commissioner Paul Pearce — one of three committee co-chairs — said he gave more weight to the people who turned out to the meetings or wrote their own letters.

“If there was this overwhelming push locally, from Portland to Seattle, to make it a park then what happened?” Pearce asked. “They didn’t show up (at the meetings).”

Mark Smith argued that local comment was important, but the area is a national concern as well.

“The monument is everybody’s monument,” he said. “It’s funded and paid for out of tax dollars and every tax payer should have a say.” He plans to submit a dissenting opinion on the issue.

Sean Smith, an official with the of the parks group that pushed for the change, said he doesn’t think the national park discussion is over and still believes it’s the best answer for the area.

“This isn’t an end, it’s a start,” he said. “The public, the Forest Service and Congress are going to continue to watch this.”

The one area added to the recommendations was protecting public access to the High Lakes area on the Cowlitz-Skamania county line. The privately owned land is for sale. Strong public comment at the two hearings convinced members to add it into the recommendations.

Committee members said they favor a land swap by the Forest Service to obtain the land. It’s also possible a private trust could purchase the lands, but committee members want the Forest Service specifically directed to work on the goal.

The committee also recommended creating several task forces or committees to address marketing, scientific research and to create more recreation within areas currently restricted to research.

All of the recommendations, including rankings by priority within subcategories and pros and cons, will be posted on the committee’s Web page: http://www.skamaniacounty.org/SHAC.htm

Recommendations

These are some of the major recommendations or themes for Mount St. Helens by the congressional advisory committee:

Management

Have the U.S. Forest Service create a stand-alone administrative entity that includes the volcanic monument and some adjacent forest land; give the area increased and dedicated funding and have the manager report directly to the regional forester.

Roads/Access

Extend State Route 504 to U.S. Highway 12; create a State Route 503 loop from Cougar to Carson; upgrade Forest Service Road 25. Roads would not be plowed in winter.

Recreation/Tourism

Increase recreational activities in areas currently restricted to science — such as Spirit Lake; convert the shuttered Coldwater Ridge Visitor Center into an overnight venue and develop destination resorts in or near the monument.

High Lakes

The Forest Service should acquire the High Lakes region through land swaps of other Gifford Pinchot National Forest lands to ensure the area remains open to the public.

Conservation

No new roads in the monument (the roads proposed are outside the monument boundary but within the new administrative unit the committee wants created).

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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #116 on: May 15, 2012, 05:51:00 PM »

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the point is wdfw shouldnt have let agnew buy the land
 


That's a scary thought, putting the WDFW as the ones who decides weather or not privet property is sold to another privet owner.

Also, I can't believe that I ask privet landowners on both west and east side for permission to hunt there land.  After all, what i want to hunt is a public resource.
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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #117 on: May 15, 2012, 05:56:02 PM »
Huntbear, tried to send PM. Your box is full

Try again... just cleaned out some old messages
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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #118 on: May 15, 2012, 06:00:38 PM »
You know.. just had a thought...

I wonder how long it would take to turn the area into a WILDERNESS AREA....   It is critical elk habitat, and is part of the blast zone from the eruption in 1980.   That would kill any building in that area..  keep any cabins or lodges from being built..

Hmmmmmmmm.... just tossing ideas around as I sit and think on this.......

I wonder how Mr. Agnew would like the tree huggers turned loose on him?? 

Strange bedfellows, agreed...  but, to a common goal?????  why not??? 

If we hunters are gonna lose it all, why not anyone that owns the land as well.

Be carefull what you wish for.  As Bobcats artical states there is a big push for PARK status. 
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Re: Margaret Unit
« Reply #119 on: May 15, 2012, 06:05:15 PM »
One more thought.  I too spent have LOT of time up in that area and was disappointed in the gates.  But what upsets me more is not being "locked out" of privet property it is being lock out of public ground by a public agency...
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