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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2012, 08:20:00 AM »
What about house cats? 

It's all political, not scientific. 

Bamboo? Nope.

Completely agree with the cat thing.  There are some bamboos that are not invasive, but this is a list of animals.  They don't list Northern Pike either.

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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2012, 09:02:33 AM »
What about house cats? 

It's all political, not scientific. 

Bamboo? Nope.

Completely agree with the cat thing.  There are some bamboos that are not invasive, but this is a list of animals.  They don't list Northern Pike either.

 :yeah: 

In Australia and New Zealand feral housecats are regarded as one of the worst predators on native birds and small animals. It is just as bad here in the US, housecats are probably the worst invasive animal in America.
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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2012, 09:27:41 AM »
What about house cats? 

It's all political, not scientific. 

Bamboo? Nope.

Completely agree with the cat thing.  There are some bamboos that are not invasive, but this is a list of animals.  They don't list Northern Pike either.

 :yeah: 

In Australia and New Zealand feral housecats are regarded as one of the worst predators on native birds and small animals. It is just as bad here in the US, housecats are probably the worst invasive animal in America.
In rasbo land,the cats that invaid said horseshoe pit,use up their 9th life...zero respect for cats here....

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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2012, 09:33:32 AM »
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

In taxidermy shops in AU I saw mounted house cats. The shoulder mounts of a snarling putty cat were particularly interesting.  :chuckle:

But in Washington you could go to jail for shooting the most invasive specie.  :yike:
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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2012, 10:03:14 AM »
The Mt goat is responsible for several plant species in the Oly Pen Going extinct.  :twocents:

This from the NPS white paper Jackalope posted.


"One plant species is known to be threatened with extinction, the Olympic milkvetch (Astragulus australis var. olympicus)."
"Until a plant actually goes extinct, scientists have no way of proving that mountain goats will cause extinction of native plant species."

So it would appear Mountain Goats not quite as bad as advertised.
The problem to me is there is no management of the goats. People like to see a few goats when they hike in the park but when there are too many they need a hunting season. I believe they could if they really wanted to. They payed sharpshooters to kill them in their failed attempt to exterminate them.
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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2012, 12:14:57 PM »
It kills me that in WA you have a government agency putting limits on how many "invasive species" can be hunted and how (WDFW) and at the same time you also have the same state government making agencies concerned about how to eliminate invasive species.  Obviously the State would lose revenue if the invasive species were actually eliminated.

I remember once talking to the county about noxious weeds.  I asked him why bamboo didn't qualify.  His reply: "that stuff scares the hell out of me..."  Then explained that there are bamboo societies and political lobbies for bamboo and regardless of the science no one would ever classify bamboo as a noxious weed.  Talking about the non-bunching type of bamboo here. 

It just made me cringe to look at the local paper and see turkeys thrown into the bin of animals that people should consider invasive and therefore not a good thing...

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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2012, 12:25:46 PM »
What about house cats? 

It's all political, not scientific. 

Bamboo? Nope.

I believe that the extinction of wild Ring Neck Pheasants in Western Washington has been partly due to house cats. That combined with lack of grain farming and of course cold wet springs. I've heard there use to be a lot of pheasants in Western Washington back in the 60's and 70's

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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2012, 12:34:32 PM »
What about house cats? 

It's all political, not scientific. 

Bamboo? Nope.

I believe that the extinction of wild Ring Neck Pheasants in Western Washington has been partly due to house cats. That combined with lack of grain farming and of course cold wet springs. I've heard there use to be a lot of pheasants in Western Washington back in the 60's and 70's

Pheasant are technically another introduced invasive species and they aren't really meant to live on the wetside the climate and conditions are not ideal for the species.  All pheasant came from China originally not native to this country.

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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2012, 12:50:26 PM »
In rasbo land,the cats that invaid said horseshoe pit,use up their 9th life...zero respect for cats here....
Sounds like a cool place. 
I read once that cats kill over a billion birds in the US annually.  They kill more than most of the other sources combined.
The greenies on the OP have been using the goats as reasoning for why we need wolves in the olympics.  They think the wolves will get rid of the goat problem---probably as soon as they've eaten all the other critters.

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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2012, 12:53:55 PM »
 :yeah:
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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2012, 01:01:20 PM »
In rasbo land,the cats that invaid said horseshoe pit,use up their 9th life...zero respect for cats here....
Sounds like a cool place. 
I read once that cats kill over a billion birds in the US annually.  They kill more than most of the other sources combined.
The greenies on the OP have been using the goats as reasoning for why we need wolves in the olympics.  They think the wolves will get rid of the goat problem---probably as soon as they've eaten all the other critters.

wolves dont normally target goats even where that is one of the main prey species they still dont target them for one wolves are not designed for the levitation required to go where goats can go  :bash: :bash: wolves are designed to run down and tackle in a more open setting.  Kinda like the idea of a linebacker being a successful jockey sure it could be done but its gonna leave a lot to be desired. :dunno:

yes feral cats are absolutely destructive of songbird populations, and their usefulness as mouse and rat killers has become negligible in urban areas, they used to be wanted and useful at keeping down rodents which carried fleas which spread things like the bubonic plague... we have other more efficient means of rodent control in urban areas now. 

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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2012, 01:07:17 PM »
What about house cats? 

It's all political, not scientific. 

Bamboo? Nope.

I believe that the extinction of wild Ring Neck Pheasants in Western Washington has been partly due to house cats. That combined with lack of grain farming and of course cold wet springs. I've heard there use to be a lot of pheasants in Western Washington back in the 60's and 70's

Pheasant are technically another introduced invasive species and they aren't really meant to live on the wetside the climate and conditions are not ideal for the species.  All pheasant came from China originally not native to this country.

True. They are introduced from China, but are they invasive? To me invasive species is defined by a species causes change in the ecosystem where native species cannot compete with the introduced species.
It's kind of wild to think most upland birds are introduced from somewhere

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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2012, 02:14:02 PM »

To me invasive species is defined by a species causes change in the ecosystem where native species cannot compete with the introduced species.
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 :yeah:  Someone should educate WDFW that the turkeys then are not an invasive species.   The only thing Mick is concerned with is that he doesn't receive any complaints from anybody concerning turkeys.  Many in that organization would just like to see all turkeys eradicated.  But then what would their precious wolves eat ? Pheasant?  Cats? Deer? Elk?
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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2012, 02:49:38 PM »
My guess would be the reporter queried WDFW's  Region 4 office and the turkey haters there mentioned turkeys as an invasive species among others.  That stems from the 40+ year ago domesticated problem on the Islands.

Of course they could have also called Olympia, but my bet is on the local office.  That's just the type of crap that gives an unknowing public a seriously wrong message about "wild" turkeys.

Someone locally should take the paper to task and force a retraction.  Bowhunter.....?
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Re: The least-wanted list: Invasive animals
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2012, 03:28:36 PM »
maybe a sign indicating what they actually mean
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