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New rules... 21
« on: August 12, 2013, 03:04:50 PM »
Just in case some of our newer duck hunters missed this...

On August 9th, WDFW posted this years regs.

and guess what?   

THAT'S RIGHT!   

The Possesion limit is now 21 ducks!!!   woo hoo!    :IBCOOL:

go check it out....
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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 03:19:36 PM »
Great, this is going to start 15 more threads over the next 6 months on what possession limit vs daily limit means and how you can technically have 21 dead birds in your boat/truck/rv/go-kart/igloo cooler/yurt/whatever. And if they're not all made into pepperoni and consumed you can't go shoot anymore!
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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 03:36:23 PM »
The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.
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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 03:57:45 PM »
The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.

If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.

I see it helping out the club hunters the most.
Don't read my post if facts hurt your feeling.

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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 04:00:27 PM »
The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.

If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.

I see it helping out the club hunters the most.

I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks  :tup:

no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.

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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2013, 04:13:46 PM »
The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.

If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.

I see it helping out the club hunters the most.

I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks  :tup:

no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.

Possesion limit also counts whats in the freezer as well.  Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.
Don't read my post if facts hurt your feeling.

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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 04:47:23 PM »
I got into this on another thread but the way that I interpret the regs that the possession limits applies from the place where the game is taken(field)  to your personal abode, or temporary domicile, or temporary transient place of lodging.

This is from the WDFW website.

"For upland birds and waterfowl, the daily bag limit is the maximum number of birds that can be harvested in a single day. In some cases the bag limit can be an aggregate of species, but other times it is limited by species and sex. The appropriate Hunting Regulation Pamphlets should be consulted. The possession limit is the number of daily limits allowed to be kept in the field or in transit."

So on a three day hunt as long as you return to your camp (RV, Tent, Hotel, cardboard box, etc.) you've done all that the WDFW asks to comply with they're possession limit requirements Therefore we've always been able to limit out on a three day hunt and be legal.

Here we go again :chuckle:

Was it the federal rules that were different? Trying to recall...

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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2013, 06:01:41 PM »
The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.

If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.

I see it helping out the club hunters the most.

I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks  :tup:

no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.

Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well.  Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.
The statement in bold:
This is the feds position, but, they can't back it up with the Mig. Waterfowl Act or any other regulation.
I spent some time last year trying to get them to do just that. It is their "opinion" that is what the rule means. That is all I could get from the feds is an opinion, nothing in writing.

Here is the wording from the reg. book. It is under the heading" Summary of Federal Regulations".


Field possession limit:
No person shall possess, have in custody, or
transport more than the daily bag limit or
aggregate daily bag limit, whichever applies, of
migratory game birds, tagged or not tagged, at
or between the place where taken and either:
a) His automobile or principal means of land
transportation
; or
b) His personal abode or temporary or
transient place of lodging; or
c) A migratory bird preservation facility; or
d) A post office; or
e) A common carrier facility.

The part in bold, means:

The field possession limit ends when you leave your blind and put the ducks in your car.

This is being debated and discussed by hunting groups all over. I've talked to guys from Texas to the SE.
All agree with the field possession limit in bold letters. All states have something similar.


« Last Edit: August 12, 2013, 07:44:59 PM by Fishnclifff »
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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 10:13:41 AM »
The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.

If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.

I see it helping out the club hunters the most.

I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks  :tup:

no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.

Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well.  Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.
The statement in bold:
This is the feds position, but, they can't back it up with the Mig. Waterfowl Act or any other regulation.
I spent some time last year trying to get them to do just that. It is their "opinion" that is what the rule means. That is all I could get from the feds is an opinion, nothing in writing.

Here is the wording from the reg. book. It is under the heading" Summary of Federal Regulations".


Field possession limit:
No person shall possess, have in custody, or
transport more than the daily bag limit or
aggregate daily bag limit, whichever applies, of
migratory game birds, tagged or not tagged, at
or between the place where taken and either:
a) His automobile or principal means of land
transportation
; or
b) His personal abode or temporary or
transient place of lodging; or
c) A migratory bird preservation facility; or
d) A post office; or
e) A common carrier facility.

The part in bold, means:

The field possession limit ends when you leave your blind and put the ducks in your car.

This is being debated and discussed by hunting groups all over. I've talked to guys from Texas to the SE.
All agree with the field possession limit in bold letters. All states have something similar.

Feds also have no laws that ban spinners as well.  In the WA waterfowl regs just says "possession limit" and nothing else that I see.  Possession limit is very broad that covers every scenario of harvested birds a hunter has whether in the field, transport, home, or even your Mom's house before consumed or prepared.   
Don't read my post if facts hurt your feeling.

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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2013, 06:53:23 PM »
The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.

If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.

I see it helping out the club hunters the most.

I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks  :tup:

no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.

Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well.  Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.
The statement in bold:
This is the feds position, but, they can't back it up with the Mig. Waterfowl Act or any other regulation.
I spent some time last year trying to get them to do just that. It is their "opinion" that is what the rule means. That is all I could get from the feds is an opinion, nothing in writing.

Here is the wording from the reg. book. It is under the heading" Summary of Federal Regulations".


Field possession limit:
No person shall possess, have in custody, or
transport more than the daily bag limit or
aggregate daily bag limit, whichever applies, of
migratory game birds, tagged or not tagged, at
or between the place where taken and either:
a) His automobile or principal means of land
transportation
; or
b) His personal abode or temporary or
transient place of lodging; or
c) A migratory bird preservation facility; or
d) A post office; or
e) A common carrier facility.

The part in bold, means:

The field possession limit ends when you leave your blind and put the ducks in your car.

This is being debated and discussed by hunting groups all over. I've talked to guys from Texas to the SE.
All agree with the field possession limit in bold letters. All states have something similar.

Feds also have no laws that ban spinners as well.  In the WA waterfowl regs just says "possession limit" and nothing else that I see.  Possession limit is very broad that covers every scenario of harvested birds a hunter has whether in the field, transport, home, or even your Mom's house before consumed or prepared.   

Not true.
The WDFW and Fed DFW have told me--state law is is similar but not more stringent than fed law.
The state law reads word for word as the fed law and mig. waterfowl act.
In 2 yrs of debating this, no one in any capacity in the Fish and game regulatory offices, both state and federal, can disprove the statement that possession is between place taken and your car etc....
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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 06:55:36 PM »
As for the spinners?

The fed mig. act allows states to set seasons and harvest rules according to the population counts in their states.
WA is not the only state that does not allow motorized decoys.
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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 10:39:06 PM »
As for the spinners?

The fed mig. act allows states to set seasons and harvest rules according to the population counts in their states.

WA is not the only state that does not allow motorized decoys.

1. They DO NOT set limits by the population of the state.

2. 48 states allow motorized decoys.

Please carry on

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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2013, 05:46:39 PM »
As for the spinners?

The fed mig. act allows states to set seasons and harvest rules according to the population counts in their states.

WA is not the only state that does not allow motorized decoys.

1. They DO NOT set limits by the population of the state.

2. 48 states allow motorized decoys.

Please carry on

Actually they do.
After they get the survey results, they set seasons and limits.
They also decide on any special rules for us hunters.
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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2013, 10:34:10 PM »
As for the spinners?

The fed mig. act allows states to set seasons and harvest rules according to the population counts in their states.

WA is not the only state that does not allow motorized decoys.

1. They DO NOT set limits by the population of the state.

2. 48 states allow motorized decoys.

Please carry on

Actually they do.
After they get the survey results, they set seasons and limits.
They also decide on any special rules for us hunters.

They dont set limits by the states bird population. They are MIGRATORY birds and the count and limits are set BEFORE the birds ever reach Washington.
The STATE sets limits within the boundries allowed by what the Pacific Flyway Council allows.
Seasons are not set based on bird counts.

Yes they set set the rule on electonic decoys based on recomendations by the retards on the WAG committee.

Where do you get your info????

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Re: New rules... 21
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2013, 10:45:31 AM »
All very good points.
I still think it's pretty sweet though that now we can take photos from camp of 21 birds per person.
For example....
If Myself and 2 friends all get 21 each...
Thats a pretty nice looking photo of 63 birds.

Well, a guy can hope.  Right?
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