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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2022, 09:30:14 AM »
Agreed, yup, and yup.

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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2022, 10:07:36 AM »
You could try a Whitworth rifle. The Reb's were shooting Yankie Officers in May 1864 at ranges 800-1000 yards. I don't know if the round is legal in ID.
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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2022, 11:43:33 AM »
Bought a Whitworth .451

I had no idea how much I would have to pay for a used one.

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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2022, 05:12:21 PM »
 8 years later I am going back down the rabbit hole  :chuckle: I really like muzzleloader season but I don't really like the equipment ha ha.  I have been talking to gunwerks about the Colorado legal muzzy and as everyone stated its definitely  not legal in idaho. I wanted to buy one for a muzzy elk hunt I have in colorado but it was 10k all in with some bullets etc added. Now I am  just trying to take some of there ideas and possibly implement them on a legal muzzy.  I am going to possibly experiment with using the gunwerks sight or others on an Idaho legal muzzleloader. I wont do much till after this season (most likely) but I will report back with any success or failures   

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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2022, 05:50:18 PM »
Maybe not what you are looking for but.....check out this youtube channel " Idaho Lewis "and watch some of his videos.  He's getting it done at extreme ranges with a custom side lock TC Hawken wearing globe fronts and Vernier Tang sight. He's not advocating shooting at animals but demonstrating what can be done with the equipment.  Most definitely a legal in Idaho setup! I've shot with him before, He's 100% legit. Many don't believe that it can be done but it can and does happen. There are old school BP shooting matches all over this country and abroad. 

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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2022, 06:26:54 PM »
Quote from: Harleysboss link=topic=159765 .msg3707991#msg3707991 date=1661388618
Maybe not what you are looking for but.....check out this youtube channel " Idaho Lewis "and watch some of his videos.  He's getting it done at extreme ranges with a custom side lock TC Hawken wearing globe fronts and Vernier Tang sight. He's not advocating shooting at animals but demonstrating what can be done with the equipment.  Most definitely a legal in Idaho setup! I've shot with him before, He's 100% legit. Many don't believe that it can be done but it can and does happen. There are old school BP shooting matches all over this country and abroad.
 

Good tip thanks!

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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2022, 11:42:17 AM »
My biggest question is.
Why don't they make a 30 caliber muzzle loader.
That will take a huge powder charge.
With some kind of all copper hollow point bullet that is heavy 220 or 250 grain ,with good B.C.
Why are all small caliber muzzy rifles for small game.

Like the 300 win mag of muzzle loader.

If I built one,would you buy it.

Oh ya then they might combine muzzy and rifle season.
We don't want that ,do we,I don't really know.🤔🤷
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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2022, 11:08:02 AM »
You clowns really think that putting a bolt action onto a muzzleloader and dressing it up like a modern centerfire rifle is going to make it more accurate at distance. Most of those things are shooting pistol weight bullets.  :rolleyes:

 What you really need is to look at the barrel, the bullet, and the sights.

 Think of heavy bullets, 400 to 500 grains weight on a .45 caliber rifle and a fast twist to stabilize it. Rice muzzle loading barrel company has what you need. As for sights, consider the FP Hawken rear sight and a hooded target globe sight with inserts from Williams gun sight company.
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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2022, 11:30:07 AM »
You clowns really think that putting a bolt action onto a muzzleloader and dressing it up like a modern centerfire rifle is going to make it more accurate at distance. Most of those things are shooting pistol weight bullets.  :rolleyes:

 What you really need is to look at the barrel, the bullet, and the sights.

 Think of heavy bullets, 400 to 500 grains weight on a .45 caliber rifle and a fast twist to stabilize it. Rice muzzle loading barrel company has what you need. As for sights, consider the FP Hawken rear sight and a hooded target globe sight with inserts from Williams gun sight company.

See CVA Paramount .40 Cal 225 Gr @ 2850.  Shoots 1.5 moa past 400 yards all day with good optics.   

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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2022, 01:54:57 PM »
Isn't the issue with the powder, in that u can't get enough of it to burn fast enough before the bullets gone

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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2022, 04:34:59 AM »
You clowns really think that putting a bolt action onto a muzzleloader and dressing it up like a modern centerfire rifle is going to make it more accurate at distance. Most of those things are shooting pistol weight bullets.  :rolleyes:

 What you really need is to look at the barrel, the bullet, and the sights.

 Think of heavy bullets, 400 to 500 grains weight on a .45 caliber rifle and a fast twist to stabilize it. Rice muzzle loading barrel company has what you need. As for sights, consider the FP Hawken rear sight and a hooded target globe sight with inserts from Williams gun sight company.

See CVA Paramount .40 Cal 225 Gr @ 2850.  Shoots 1.5 moa past 400 yards all day with good optics.


 I read some articles online and am seeing the usual marketing of "muzzleloader vs rifle" rather than "muzzleloading rifle vs centerfire rifle", as if the definition of rifle has nothing to do with the spiral grooves in the barrel and everything to do with a centerfire brass cartridge. I find that annoying, as the target audience are simply hunters with little knowledge or interest in firearms. I see the faux bolt action on modern inlines and am reminded of P.T. Barnum's quote "There is a sucker born every minute" as the aesthetics are meant to attract modern hunters by keeping them in their comfort zone.

 I am seeing impressive muzzle velocities of the CVA Paramount, but I am not finding downrange velocities in the search results that I am getting. Most of the modern inline muzzle loading rifles are designed to shoot pistol weight bullets, and velocities drop down to that of handguns downrange.

 Better to go with heavy bullets. There certainly will be more trajectory, that is what the marksman's data book is for. Once you know where to set the elevation for a given range on a rear sight then one is putting a 400gr wt to 500gr wt bullet onto the target.
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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2022, 05:21:34 AM »
They shot long distances in the civil war effectively to 500 yds using a 58 cal minnie ball but could be deadly at even longer ranges.  With that being said I am sure with today's technology you could get to that range effectively.  Most rifles used for that range were usually the long guns not the short barrel bp rifles have today.  They also used peep sights a lot which are a lot more accurate than your basic open sights.  I am sure if you are using an F loose powder vs the Pyrodex pellets it would burn faster and today's powder is probably better than they had back in the civil war.
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Re: long range muzzleloader legal in idaho
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2022, 01:29:48 PM »
Is there anyone that makes long range muzzleloaders that would be legal in idaho? we have to have exposed ignintion system when ready to fire -no 209 primers/sabots and must use open sights.When I say long range I probably mean medium but long for a muzzleloader-400 yards     Maybe something with a ladder type peep sight.   

Check out the videos by Idaho Lewis on Youtube to learn about long range muzzle loading rifles and loads.
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