Who's doing keto?

[Rutnbuxnbulls]

I just started an intermittent fasting type diet with some Keto type foods (trying to eat to meats, veggies, and basically anything with one ingredient on the list)  and i'm impressed with the energy I have.  My assumption initially was that I'd be without energy, but it seems I have enough or even more than when I was eating 3 meals a day.  I'm down 4 pounds in one week.  First time ever working on this stuff but it's amazing how simple it all is when you look at it.  Water and coffee for breakfast, lunch and dinner done by 6pm, 1800 cals per day.  Hiking 4 miles per day weekends, workouts are good, I do over 10000 steps per day on job site.  Finding my inner prehistoric man! 

[KFhunter]

The biggest thing I've noticed is I don't get all stove up if I'm working in the shop or something, especially bent over working on a project low height.

Thought my back was bad, turns out it was just too much angry inflation.



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[Kc_Kracker]

The biggest thing I've noticed is I don't get all stove up if I'm working in the shop or something, especially bent over working on a project low height.

Thought my back was bad, turns out it was just too much angry inflation.



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I hate when my back inflates 

[bornhunter]

I want to get started but not until I find keto beer!

[Stein]

I want to get started but not until I find keto beer!

Norcal Margarita.  Two shots of tequilla, juice from two limes and club soda.  Most hard liquor is not horrible for low carb or keto, it's just the bag of chips and half pizza that usually follows.

[bornhunter]

I want to get started but not until I find keto beer!

Norcal Margarita.  Two shots of tequilla, juice from two limes and club soda.  Most hard liquor is not horrible for low carb or keto, it's just the bag of chips and half pizza that usually follows.

I didnt need to know this. Now I have no excuse

[birddogdad]

i think i read somewhere that coming OFF keto has several dangers to you ...

[Timberstalker]

I'm three years plus into Keto, and I have one cheat day a month.  The only side affects (which only occurred early on) were minor flu-like symptoms when I started going into Keto.  Coming off Keto (which I do once a year for a month during hunting season) resulted in a little sluggish feeling when my body was transitioning from fat as a fuel to carbs.

What are these "dangers" you speak of birddogdad?

[Stein]

In my opinion, the jury is still out on how good or bad it might be to be in ketosis for long periods of time.  Every diet I know of has one or more paradox issues.  With the low fat diet, the paradox is if fat is bad then why are fats like salmon, olive oil, grass fed butter and nuts so healthy and proven protective against heart disease and all cause mortality?

For keto, the paradox is that if being in ketosis is beneficial, why have the Inuit (who are the poster child for the keto or carnivore diet and have been for a really long time) developed a genetic trait that prevents them from ever going into ketosis?  The only answer I can find is that nobody knows.  Maybe it's to prevent them from being in ketosis basically permanently, maybe it's just a genetic coincidence and maybe its for another reason.  Doctors on both sides offer guesses, but that's all it really is, a guess that reinforces their belief going in.  I haven't heard of anyone legitimately trying to find out why that is.

There is also sometimes confusion between dietary ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis.  I had a doctor freaked out once because he didn't know you could be in ketosis and was only aware of the latter life threatening condition.

[whackmaster]

I'm doing the fork diet

[Timberstalker]

That’s about as polar opposite of the keto diet as you can get

Are your results good?

Basically a vegan diet isn’t it?

[pianoman9701]

In my opinion, the jury is still out on how good or bad it might be to be in ketosis for long periods of time.  Every diet I know of has one or more paradox issues.  With the low fat diet, the paradox is if fat is bad then why are fats like salmon, olive oil, grass fed butter and nuts so healthy and proven protective against heart disease and all cause mortality?

For keto, the paradox is that if being in ketosis is beneficial, why have the Inuit (who are the poster child for the keto or carnivore diet and have been for a really long time) developed a genetic trait that prevents them from ever going into ketosis? The only answer I can find is that nobody knows.  Maybe it's to prevent them from being in ketosis basically permanently, maybe it's just a genetic coincidence and maybe its for another reason.  Doctors on both sides offer guesses, but that's all it really is, a guess that reinforces their belief going in.  I haven't heard of anyone legitimately trying to find out why that is.

There is also sometimes confusion between dietary ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis.  I had a doctor freaked out once because he didn't know you could be in ketosis and was only aware of the latter life threatening condition.

Species evolve to adapt to their environments. The difficulty of the Inuit to achieve ketosis may be related to the fact that they've evolved with the need for extra fat just to survive.

[MountainWalk]

Do you know of any other human "evolvements" of body? Just curious.  The fact about the Inuit and Inuipaq  interest me.

[h20hunter]

Look up the Bajau people......as a swimmer and life long person on, in, under the water I'm fascinated.

[Stein]

Lots of genetic switches regarding diet.  Being able to digest milk, likely carb tolerances and other things I think we are just beginning to understand.  Genetic differences result in different metabolisms as well as the propensity to store fat, build muscle.

The Inuit one is particularly interesting to me.  The CPT-1A deficiency they have is only found in the arctic and virtually all of them have it which hints that it might have more to do with that environment rather than the diet.  I think most native people spent considerable time in ketosis as getting large amounts of carbs in the wild is not all that easy, particularly during the winter.

The other odd thing about the deficiency is that it increases the odds of going hypoglycemic during fasting and greatly increases infant fatality which obviously are negative aspects, so whatever the benefit is it must be pretty big to outweigh the negatives and be almost universally present.

I agree, one guess could be that nature is forcing them to hold more bodyfat which would be a benefit when living in the arctic.