Muzzle loader help!!!

[farfrompar28]

So I picked up a Rem 700 ML today. It’s older that takes the musket 11 caps not the newer ultimate. Anyways how do I know what powders and how much to use? Also what’s a decent deer bullet to use? It will be upgraded to 209 by opening day.

[HntnFsh]

I wouldnt worry about the 209s. Use RWS #11 caps and your good to go. I would start with 110 grains of 777 and some barnes 250 grain bullets if your only chasing deer or some lehigh defense somewhere around 260 grain bullets or heavier if your wanting to hunt elk also.

[usmc74]

I converted mine to 209 using the Arrowhead kit 

https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/

[farfrompar28]

I wouldnt worry about the 209s. Use RWS #11 caps and your good to go. I would start with 110 grains of 777 and some barnes 250 grain bullets if your only chasing deer or some lehigh defense somewhere around 260 grain bullets or heavier if your wanting to hunt elk also.

Assuming your saying Hodgson triple 7. Does it matter if I use pellets or or not? Would it matter?

[HntnFsh]

Stay away from pellets. Cant dial in a load. Draw moisture easier, harder to ignite. Either FFG or FFFG powder.

[HntnFsh]

And yes. Hogdon 777

[farfrompar28]

Now to find #11 caps on stock somewhere is another story. Found the powder pretty easy.

[Dan-o]

Now to find #11 caps on stock somewhere is another story. Found the powder pretty easy.

I think I have a bunch.

I no longer use them. 

If they are legal to ship, I can mail 'em to you. 

No need to buy them.   I no longer need them.

[chukar58]

Check the internet for an user guide for your rifle and it will have a lot of loading data which will be a safe starting point.  If your looking for #11 percussion caps send me a pm.   Good luck and have fun.

[jrebel]

Any black powder substitute up to 150 grains will work fine.  Don't exceed 150 grains.....most often 90-120 grains will work the best.  Find a good 250 grain saboted bullet and get to shooting.  209 primers are nice but definitely not needed.  Nice muzzy.....as a point of reference for the future, the ramrod is a different diameter than standard muzzy ramrods.  If you loose, break, shoot your ramrod....it can be more difficult to find another.  May be worth picking a spare up to have on hand.

[BNAElkhntr]

Stay away from pellets. Cant dial in a load. Draw moisture easier, harder to ignite. Either FFG or FFFG powder.

I never had problems with 150 grn of pellets after i changed primer and accuracy in my cva was 2in at 100 guess i got lucky

[usmc74]

Remington recommends 120 gr FFG MAX.  I use 110 gr FFFG T7 with 290 TEZ Barnes.

I uploaded the manual for the rifle.  https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,233172.msg3110852.html#msg3110852

[HntnFsh]

Stay away from pellets. Cant dial in a load. Draw moisture easier, harder to ignite. Either FFG or FFFG powder.

I never had problems with 150 grn of pellets after i changed primer and accuracy in my cva was 2in at 100 guess i got lucky

Sorry, poor wording on my part. Your right. Sometimes the pellets have exactly what you need for the right load. More often its easier to get the right load with powder.

[Antlershed]

I converted mine to 209 using the Arrowhead kit 

https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/

I can’t find the kit listed on their website. Do you remember how much it was?

[usmc74]

About $125?

I bought from Arrowhead, but these are the instructions for the kit.

https://www.badgerridgeind.com/store/p10/700ML_KIT.html

Arrowhead still had parts to sell.  I called him to order, but that has been over a year ago.

[pd]

If you loose, break, shoot your ramrod....it can be more difficult to find another.  May be worth picking a spare up to have on hand.

Forgive me for hijacking the intent of the thread.  But what is "shooting a ramrod?"

[Bob33]

If you loose, break, shoot your ramrod....it can be more difficult to find another.  May be worth picking a spare up to have on hand.

Forgive me for hijacking the intent of the thread.  But what is "shooting a ramrod?"

Failure to remove it after loading.

[usmc74]

If you loose, break, shoot your ramrod....it can be more difficult to find another.  May be worth picking a spare up to have on hand.

Forgive me for hijacking the intent of the thread.  But what is "shooting a ramrod?"

Ahem.....I wouldn't know what he is talking about.

I have heard that is what happens when you are distracted and leave your ramrod in the barrel and fire.

I've also heard it hurts like hell!!!

[M_ray]

777 pellets are not recommended by manufacturer to be used with #11 caps. They will work and you think there isn’t a problem until there is. I spoke to Hodgson and they advise reading the packaging closely ... they told me it does say on a box of 777 pellets “Recommended for use with 209 ignition”

 I use Dynamit Nobel 1075 caps, 777 fffg powder & 250 grn shockwave bullets. I wouldn’t be worried about heavier bullets unless your gun shoots them better. 250 grns is a huge hunk of lead. I and have killed elk at 200 yards with no problems.

Always have a backup ram rod even breaking one can ruin a hunt so it’s just a good idea and I never go on a hunt without a spare in my truck. Never needed it but it’s there if I do. Good luck

[Dan-o]

777 pellets are not recommended by manufacturer to be used with #11 caps. They will work and you think there isn’t a problem until there is. I spoke to Hodgson and they advise reading the packaging closely ... they told me it does say on a box of 777 pellets “Recommended for use with 209 ignition”

 I use Dynamit Nobel 1075 caps, 777 fffg powder & 250 grn shockwave bullets. I wouldn’t be worried about heavier bullets unless your gun shoots them better. 250 grns is a huge hunk of lead. I and have killed elk at 200 yards with no problems.

Always have a backup ram rod even breaking one can ruin a hunt so it’s just a good idea and I never go on a hunt without a spare in my truck. Never needed it but it’s there if I do. Good luck

Sure, go ahead and brag about never needing a back up ramrod. 
Like I'm the only one to shoot my ramrod at an elk......

[Buckhunter24]

777 pellets are not recommended by manufacturer to be used with #11 caps. They will work and you think there isn’t a problem until there is. I spoke to Hodgson and they advise reading the packaging closely ... they told me it does say on a box of 777 pellets “Recommended for use with 209 ignition”

 I use Dynamit Nobel 1075 caps, 777 fffg powder & 250 grn shockwave bullets. I wouldn’t be worried about heavier bullets unless your gun shoots them better. 250 grns is a huge hunk of lead. I and have killed elk at 200 yards with no problems.

Always have a backup ram rod even breaking one can ruin a hunt so it’s just a good idea and I never go on a hunt without a spare in my truck. Never needed it but it’s there if I do. Good luck

Sure, go ahead and brag about never needing a back up ramrod. 
Like I'm the only one to shoot my ramrod at an elk......

Sounds like archery to me 

[M_ray]

777 pellets are not recommended by manufacturer to be used with #11 caps. They will work and you think there isn’t a problem until there is. I spoke to Hodgson and they advise reading the packaging closely ... they told me it does say on a box of 777 pellets “Recommended for use with 209 ignition”

 I use Dynamit Nobel 1075 caps, 777 fffg powder & 250 grn shockwave bullets. I wouldn’t be worried about heavier bullets unless your gun shoots them better. 250 grns is a huge hunk of lead. I and have killed elk at 200 yards with no problems.

Always have a backup ram rod even breaking one can ruin a hunt so it’s just a good idea and I never go on a hunt without a spare in my truck. Never needed it but it’s there if I do. Good luck

Sure, go ahead and brag about never needing a back up ramrod. 
Like I'm the only one to shoot my ramrod at an elk......

Sorry I wasn’t picking on you I had no idea you did that  more important question is did you kill it?

[Dan-o]

777 pellets are not recommended by manufacturer to be used with #11 caps. They will work and you think there isn’t a problem until there is. I spoke to Hodgson and they advise reading the packaging closely ... they told me it does say on a box of 777 pellets “Recommended for use with 209 ignition”

 I use Dynamit Nobel 1075 caps, 777 fffg powder & 250 grn shockwave bullets. I wouldn’t be worried about heavier bullets unless your gun shoots them better. 250 grns is a huge hunk of lead. I and have killed elk at 200 yards with no problems.

Always have a backup ram rod even breaking one can ruin a hunt so it’s just a good idea and I never go on a hunt without a spare in my truck. Never needed it but it’s there if I do. Good luck

Sure, go ahead and brag about never needing a back up ramrod. 
Like I'm the only one to shoot my ramrod at an elk......

Sorry I wasn’t picking on you I had no idea you did that  more important question is did you kill it?

Nope. 

Very high on my list of stupidest things I've ever done.  LOL

Shot my ramrod right at a B& C spike.   

My hunting partner still sends my pics of big spikes.   

[farfrompar28]

Remington recommends 120 gr FFG MAX.  I use 110 gr FFFG T7 with 290 TEZ Barnes.

I uploaded the manual for the rifle.  https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,233172.msg3110852.html#msg3110852

Link doesn’t work for Rem.

[usmc74]

Here is the PDF.

Glad I downloaded it long ago.

[farfrompar28]

Here is the PDF.

Glad I downloaded it long ago.

Good info. Thanks a lot.