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Ghost Guns???????????
« on: April 09, 2021, 09:28:20 AM »
So educate me on Ghost Guns.

I know they are built from a kit or what ever, but that's it.

Like to hear all the info including current laws in this regard?
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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2021, 09:32:28 AM »
All they are is an 80% lower that you finish.

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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2021, 09:42:33 AM »
A Ghost gin is any gun built without a serial number. If you built it, they're legal to own but are illegal to transfer (maybe immediate family?).
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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2021, 09:42:49 AM »
80% lower being the action part of an AR style rifle that when purchased 100% finished has a serial number and must be sold through an FFL.

If missing 20% of the machining (holes drilled and minor milling) then it does not need a serial number or FFL.

Guns made with these actions without serial numbers are referred to as  ghost guns.

They can be sold but only if put together “without the intent to sell”. 

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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2021, 09:47:31 AM »
It doesnt have to be just 80% products that a person buys. It can he any firearm that you make on your own. It is currently legal to make a gun on your own wether it starts as a 80% receiver or is 3d printed, or is machined from scratch. Any gun without a serial number is a scary “ghost gun” now.

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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2021, 09:50:49 AM »
 :yeah:
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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2021, 09:55:06 AM »
How many "ghost guns" have been used in a crime? I bet they have all sorts of amazing statistics to back up their fear of these so called ghost guns.

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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2021, 09:55:17 AM »
They sound pretty scary to the general public, but I would like to see the statistics on how many are used in a crime.  Not a gun with the serial number ground off, but one that never had one.

To me, if you pass a law to solve a problem it should at least make the problem better.  That should be question #1.

Here is the problem, here is how the law would lead to either no problem or noticeably less problem.

I think the left goes for easy wins that they can tout as doing something (same thing the right does on other issues), classic mistake of confusing activity with accomplishment.  Bang out a few inconsequential activities that show you are working and then blame the other side for preventing anything else from happening.

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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2021, 09:58:17 AM »
They sound pretty scary to the general public, but I would like to see the statistics on how many are used in a crime.  Not a gun with the serial number ground off, but one that never had one.

To me, if you pass a law to solve a problem it should at least make the problem better.  That should be question #1.

Here is the problem, here is how the law would lead to either no problem or noticeably less problem.

I think the left goes for easy wins that they can tout as doing something (same thing the right does on other issues), classic mistake of confusing activity with accomplishment.  Bang out a few inconsequential activities that show you are working and then blame the other side for preventing anything else from happening.
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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2021, 10:01:04 AM »
It doesnt have to be just 80% products that a person buys. It can he any firearm that you make on your own. It is currently legal to make a gun on your own wether it starts as a 80% receiver or is 3d printed, or is machined from scratch. Any gun without a serial number is a scary “ghost gun” now.
:yeah: I was pretty vague on my first reply, they are also calling regular complete firearms with the serial number removed ghost guns.

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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2021, 10:07:36 AM »
This proposed rule by the American Bar Association lists one shooting with a Ghost gun but says they're very, very scary anyway. The one used in the crime sounds more like what we used to call a zip gun, now called a ghost gun. The offender was 16, so already breaking the law by possessing a handgun. I'm sure another law will help rid us of these miscreants.  :rolleyes:

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_interest/gun_violence/policy/20m107a/
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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2021, 10:07:55 AM »
No such thing as ghost.   Just an attempt to change and weaponize words and definitions.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2021, 10:27:10 AM by MountainWalk »
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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2021, 10:21:18 AM »
Watch this it will help you understand.


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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2021, 10:22:02 AM »
I don't care about the term. I care about this blatant and intended disinformation.
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Re: Ghost Guns???????????
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2021, 10:29:38 AM »
Pianoman-
 Re- words.

  How do you think they misinform and blatantly lie?
Because they control the narrative and dialogue,  and that begins with precise choice and use of words.

 There's no such thing as ghost guns.
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