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Big Two points, again
« on: August 31, 2021, 11:08:58 AM »
Seems to be another year when there are several big 2 point mulies around my place. At least three that I see regularly.  I suspect there are more around as that gene pool seems to be spreading. These bucks are all high and fairly wide, but are definitely just 2 points with no eye guards. From a distance you'd surely think they are more than just 2 points (I certainly did the first time I saw them), so best take a good look before squeezing off a shot.

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2021, 11:38:08 AM »
Yeah I am sure that is gonna be a common theme around the mulie woods as it was what I have seen for about the last 10 years. One season I saw 9 nice bucks together. 8 were straight 2 points, and nice ones at that. 1 was a 4 point.
Always seemed my brother and I were able to fill our tags. Worked hard and feel fortunate to fill the freezer. No monster bucks but respectable.  Can't speak for the others that were in the area as they were pretty lazy who didn't hunt prime times and such, as football games seemed to take priority over hunting  :chuckle: but did notice the unit I hunted went down hill over those years. Mature legal mulies were fewer sightings each year and whitetail became almost non existent at the end of hunting that area. Definitely a good time to make a change. Name of the game is adapting and making change. Hunting hard to see success.
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2021, 12:00:55 PM »
What’s wrong with a big two….(of course this guy is legal but….) only pic I had handy


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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2021, 12:01:42 PM »
Yup….poor management of the bucks in our area has led to poor genetics.  These big twos are everywhere and the state refuses to acknowledge the fact that thei management plan sucks.    :bash: :bash: :bash:  W had one on camera that has 12-14” deep forks and was 24” wide.  Probably never be anything more than a big 2. 

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2021, 12:46:44 PM »
What’s wrong with a big two….(of course this guy is legal but….) only pic I had handy



They are super cool in my opinion. But can't hunt them. But at least it provides an escapement post season herd. That's one positive.
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2021, 06:27:32 PM »
dang!!
Those are shooters to me!!
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2021, 08:55:00 PM »
23 3/8 wide with big deep forks.

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2021, 10:21:42 PM »
Awesome!
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2021, 06:02:05 PM »
Wow. Those two (no pun intended) are are quite impressive. Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2021, 04:06:11 PM »
I love super 2's  :tung: :tung:

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2021, 05:37:17 AM »


Pissed I didn’t go back and get this guys sheds.   He shed shortly after this pic. 


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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2021, 05:57:27 AM »
Frosty cheat and bedded deer!!!  Thanks!

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2021, 06:19:39 AM »
These two aren't big 2 points....... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Little sad ,check this cam the other day.
All that was on there for bucks was these two points.
I got ,whitetail Doe,mule doe, and these 🚫 two points.
All I can hope is something better shows ,with cold weather,and some rut action.
Two birds in the Bush is always better than one in the hand-that way you can always go to the Bush and hunt another day .conservation=Better hunting.
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2021, 08:36:16 AM »
That buck with his snout cut off on the pic above is non-typical. Could grow into something awesome in the next year or two!

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2021, 08:39:37 AM »
Yup….poor management of the bucks in our area has led to poor genetics.  These big twos are everywhere and the state refuses to acknowledge the fact that thei management plan sucks.    :bash: :bash: :bash:  W had one on camera that has 12-14” deep forks and was 24” wide.  Probably never be anything more than a big 2.

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2021, 11:27:26 AM »
Took this picture during my quality late deer hunt in Washington 2018. He was a stud forky!

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2021, 02:11:02 PM »
Here are three big two’s I’ve taken in the lat few years. All between 23 to 26.5 inches wide.
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2021, 02:15:35 PM »
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2021, 02:17:46 PM »
One more
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2021, 03:12:15 PM »
High hunt. Nothing but 2s n small threes. Guessing last years early snow did a number on the older deer that migrated into general season areas. Just a hypothetical though.


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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2021, 06:53:22 PM »
One of the smaller 2 points hanging around

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2021, 07:22:47 PM »
Wife got a picture of this one last night....
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2021, 12:33:49 PM »
Wife got a picture of this one last night....

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2021, 02:10:12 PM »
One of the smaller 2 points hanging around
there's absolutely nothing wrong with what that buck currently is. He's 2.5 years old at the very most. Not uncommon at all to be a clean two at that ago.
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2021, 02:12:27 PM »
Wife got a picture of this one last night....

This guys just hoping he doesn’t get eyeguards.🤣
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2021, 02:15:53 PM »
This topic gets beat up every year, and every year there's little to no evidence of a MATURE 2x2 issue produced. Theres a bunch of dead legal deer like dvolmers, or there's young deer that haven't blossomed yet such as most posted in this thread. Do they exist in nature? Sure. To the numbers people claim? Absolutely not. As I've stated in previous threads, look at the body structure and age more than the antlers. And what most claim as "big" are  small bodied, slender faced and 16" wide, with 10" g2's. Hardly a pandemic in the deer woods.

Let's remember it takes two to tango. Just because a buck is a big mature clean 2pt DOES NOT mean he breeds clean 2's. The doe puts as much genetic input into her fawn than the buck does.

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2021, 02:20:23 PM »
Ironically the one mature actual 2x2 that dvolmer posted i believe came from either MT or WY which are any buck states  :chuckle:
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2021, 03:53:59 PM »
This topic gets beat up every year, and every year there's little to no evidence of a MATURE 2x2 issue produced. Theres a bunch of dead legal deer like dvolmers, or there's young deer that haven't blossomed yet such as most posted in this thread. Do they exist in nature? Sure. To the numbers people claim? Absolutely not. As I've stated in previous threads, look at the body structure and age more than the antlers. And what most claim as "big" are  small bodied, slender faced and 16" wide, with 10" g2's. Hardly a pandemic in the deer woods.

Let's remember it takes two to tango. Just because a buck is a big mature clean 2pt DOES NOT mean he breeds clean 2's. The doe puts as much genetic input into her fawn than the buck does.

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I always laughed about this when someone tells me they shot a smaller buck to get him out of the gene pool...   :bash:

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2021, 03:56:20 PM »
That's a nice management buck right there Jimmy! Huge hooves! And look at those ears! Dang!

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2021, 07:55:45 PM »
Wife got a picture of this one last night....

This guys just hoping he doesn’t get eyeguards.🤣

There are going to be a couple spotters getting wore out trying to put a 3rd on this guy.... :)
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2021, 08:38:29 PM »
This topic gets beat up every year, and every year there's little to no evidence of a MATURE 2x2 issue produced. Theres a bunch of dead legal deer like dvolmers, or there's young deer that haven't blossomed yet such as most posted in this thread. Do they exist in nature? Sure. To the numbers people claim? Absolutely not. As I've stated in previous threads, look at the body structure and age more than the antlers. And what most claim as "big" are  small bodied, slender faced and 16" wide, with 10" g2's. Hardly a pandemic in the deer woods.

Let's remember it takes two to tango. Just because a buck is a big mature clean 2pt DOES NOT mean he breeds clean 2's. The doe puts as much genetic input into her fawn than the buck does.

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doesn't really matter to me whether it's age or gene pool  or something else that creates these somewhat larger horned 2 points. I'm just not happy to find at least one (last year 3) shot and left every year. All have been close to the road  and I'm guessing shot by a hunter who doesn't know what a G2 is. Warden at the checking station last year admitted they had several reports of not only 2 points shot but many small mule deer bucks shot on the late hunt. Just seem to be too many shoot first, check what you got after hunters out there. Personally wish they didn't have the antler requirement differential between between whitetail and mule deer. I'd say take the whitetail up to a 3 point minimum to match the mule deer requirement.jusy my opinion.

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2021, 08:40:52 PM »
When I saw this thread pop up, I thought Johnny Rebel would make an appearance and discourse about history.  Might have to wait until January, when we get bored and what not.

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2021, 08:49:05 PM »
When I saw this thread pop up, I thought Johnny Rebel would make an appearance and discourse about history.  Might have to wait until January, when we get bored and what not.

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2021, 08:53:17 PM »
He's out hunting mule deer.

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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2021, 10:48:19 PM »
Out of about a dozen 2 point bucks I saw on my last trip I would say that 11 were 1.5 to 2.5 year old deer. Even though some look like nice bucks. They all do coming from the blacktail woods and hitting mule deer country. But one was for sure a tank. Probably 24 inches wide, heavy horned, deep forks. Way older age class then the 4x4 I saw with it. But he was a clean 2 point. And a massive body. I just love getting on numbers of bucks and with mule deer being able to get on probably 18 different bucks in a few days with a few being legal to me makes a great hunt. And of course filling a tag on the trip is just icing on the cake. It was cool to see a bunch of bucks still in velvet during a muzzy season as well and being able to harvest my first fuzzy wuzzy buck. :chuckle:
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Re: Big Two points, again
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2021, 08:12:42 PM »
Ironically the one mature actual 2x2 that dvolmer posted i believe came from either MT or WY which are any buck states  :chuckle:
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