Question on access for native americans

[buckfvr]

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If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.
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And no doubt you have seen this and heard this many times, even though I and several others spend a tremendous amount of time in 101 and have never witnessed any of this in over 25 years spent in 3 seasons in 101.   

[Platensek-po]

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

I figure at least then there might be predator management, probably be the same amount of tribal harvest as there is already. We will still have the same small dismal little seasons we get to go, with a handful of special permit tags.

But like you said can’t beat them join them. Then when we open up a wolf season the Seattle folks won’t/can’t scream about it because the almighty tribes authorized it.

You would think so but look at the Makahs. Can’t hunt whales cause of the environmental groups suing them over and over. Even tho the whales are over populated right now and the tribe wants to take 2 whales over 5 years. They waited while the numbers are down and now can’t hunt them cause they exercise their treaty rights during that time. Keep that in mind when you say the tribes should stop hunting or fishing. The lawsuit by sea shepherd and other groups is full of racist tropes, many of which are repeated here, and BS “science”. Kinda like the spring bear hunt issue. Can’t imagine having ancestors sign a treaty giving up about half the land on the OP to have the right to hunt and fish, only to have those rights taken away by environmental groups who despise you.

[Platensek-po]

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

I figure at least then there might be predator management, probably be the same amount of tribal harvest as there is already. We will still have the same small dismal little seasons we get to go, with a handful of special permit tags.

But like you said can’t beat them join them. Then when we open up a wolf season the Seattle folks won’t/can’t scream about it because the almighty tribes authorized it.

You would think so but look at the Makahs. Can’t hunt whales cause of the environmental groups suing them over and over. Even tho the whales are over populated right now and the tribe wants to take 2 whales over 5 years. They waited while the numbers are down and now can’t hunt them cause they exercise their treaty rights during that time. Keep that in mind when you say the tribes should stop hunting or fishing. The lawsuit by sea shepherd and other groups is full of racist tropes, many of which are repeated here, and BS “science”. Kinda like the spring bear hunt issue. Can’t imagine having ancestors sign a treaty giving up about half the land on the OP to have the right to hunt and fish, only to have those rights taken away by environmental groups who despise you.

https://www.seashepherd.org.uk/news-and-commentary/news/makah-whale-hunt-defeated.html

[KFhunter]

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.
[/quote]

And no doubt you have seen this and heard this many times, even though I and several others spend a tremendous amount of time in 101 and have never witnessed any of this in over 25 years spent in 3 seasons in 101.   
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I seen a Colville tribe member poach off private ground, he showed me his tribal card and said he could, I said no its private land lol. (yes I reported it)

Every group of people has bad apples, but the Colville's seem pretty dang good, they run a great biology program and have much better hunting on the rez than off, I rarely see them in 101.

I've certainly never seen them go on a killing spree...

[Special T]

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

I figure at least then there might be predator management, probably be the same amount of tribal harvest as there is already. We will still have the same small dismal little seasons we get to go, with a handful of special permit tags.

But like you said can’t beat them join them. Then when we open up a wolf season the Seattle folks won’t/can’t scream about it because the almighty tribes authorized it.

You would think so but look at the Makahs. Can’t hunt whales cause of the environmental groups suing them over and over. Even tho the whales are over populated right now and the tribe wants to take 2 whales over 5 years. They waited while the numbers are down and now can’t hunt them cause they exercise their treaty rights during that time. Keep that in mind when you say the tribes should stop hunting or fishing. The lawsuit by sea shepherd and other groups is full of racist tropes, many of which are repeated here, and BS “science”. Kinda like the spring bear hunt issue. Can’t imagine having ancestors sign a treaty giving up about half the land on the OP to have the right to hunt and fish, only to have those rights taken away by environmental groups who despise you.

I find these discussions troubling. Sportsmen are frustrated  at the way fish and game is being managed. This from a political stand point of anti consumptive users infecting the Commission some department staff, and certainly those legislators  in the Nat Resource Senate comittie.

Tribes should be our natural ally fighting these  preservationist groups. I really appreciate the Swinomish bio standing up for sportsmen. He stood with the Washington Waterfowl Association  to fight off a no shooting zone in Drayton Harbor near Blaine, and chastised Koontz and Smith with the king of force sportsmen have been unable to muster. I hope other Tribes follow his lead in building that natural bond so that we can fight the groups.

As sportsmen we need to become more educated, organize, and quit acting like crabs in a bucket pulling everyone down. If you have time to bitch on here you have time to write the Commission, you legislator, or listen to the many web meetings that can be found online.

[NRA4LIFE]

Well said.  When the Makah took the one, yes one whale there was such a fuss about it. Why should anyone have given a crap?  I sure didn't.  Now if they'd only fix the boat launch...

[hunter399]

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

And no doubt you have seen this and heard this many times, even though I and several others spend a tremendous amount of time in 101 and have never witnessed any of this in over 25 years spent in 3 seasons in 101.   
[/quote]

I seen a Colville tribe member poach off private ground, he showed me his tribal card and said he could, I said no its private land lol. (yes I reported it)

Every group of people has bad apples, but the Colville's seem pretty dang good, they run a great biology program and have much better hunting on the rez than off, I rarely see them in 101.

I've certainly never seen them go on a killing spree...
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No I agree I haven't seen a killing spree.
And I have no problem with there rights on the north half or reservation.
All I was pointing out is ,it doesn't matter if it's the east,West,south,North, all tribes have some rights somewhere,season,limits, that are beyond our rights.
And as far as I've never seen this ,or ya right that never happens in 101 ,let me put it this way. If you had four months to shoot any deer you want ,would you wait and do it with a bunch of white people out there for the season,or would you wait until things calm down a bit.
Trust me ,I'm friends with a few people and seen some pics here or there,choose to believe what you want ,It happens,will continue to happen,nothing we do will change that. And I'm ok with that.

[trophyhunt]

Well said.  When the Makah took the one, yes one whale there was such a fuss about it. Why should anyone have given a crap?  I sure didn't.  Now if they'd only fix the boat launch...

And build a hotel, rv resort (better one), more fish cleaning stations, shoot some sea lions.... They could really turn that place into a nice resort, get away.  $$$$$

[Special T]

Well said.  When the Makah took the one, yes one whale there was such a fuss about it. Why should anyone have given a crap?  I sure didn't.  Now if they'd only fix the boat launch...

Anyone want to guess an organization that supported the Makah?

[Whitefoot]

And for some reason they forget about the part with the Guys using rifles in an Archery area.

2nd time you have said it and the reply is the same. Threads evolve, change, go different routes. I don't see the issue.

Forgot?  I don't think anyone forgot.   What law states there's bow, muzzle, and modern?

[Whitefoot]

I thought this thread was about road access?   

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

Give us your thoughts on road access like the OP had questioned if you’d like to try to keep it in the original topic.

The state has a road system and laws setup on ceded land.   Tribes are sovereign meaning that they're a country with in a country. State trying to regulate or enforce our laws normally has to be turned over to the tribe.   Tribes have different laws to these roads and seasons.  The green dot an unauthorized roads are state laws.  Same goes with units and all the other seasons.  We don't follow the same laws the state has set.   Ceded land follows almost the same format as the reservation. 

[Rainier10]

I thought this thread was about road access?   

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

Give us your thoughts on road access like the OP had questioned if you’d like to try to keep it in the original topic.

The state has a road system and laws setup on ceded land.   Tribes are sovereign meaning that they're a country with in a country. State trying to regulate or enforce our laws normally has to be turned over to the tribe.   Tribes have different laws to these roads and seasons.  The green dot an unauthorized roads are state laws.  Same goes with units and all the other seasons.  We don't follow the same laws the state has set.   Ceded land follows almost the same format as the reservation.

Thanks for the clarification.

[hunter399]

I thought this thread was about road access?   

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

Give us your thoughts on road access like the OP had questioned if you’d like to try to keep it in the original topic.

The state has a road system and laws setup on ceded land.   Tribes are sovereign meaning that they're a country with in a country. State trying to regulate or enforce our laws normally has to be turned over to the tribe.   Tribes have different laws to these roads and seasons.  The green dot an unauthorized roads are state laws.  Same goes with units and all the other seasons.  We don't follow the same laws the state has set.   Ceded land follows almost the same format as the reservation.

I Agree.
The "story" with the north half is it was the reservation ,that the feds took back at a later date ,and the tribe retained hunting rights as ceded lands ,or something like that.
You can Google it ,but I think that's the short story anyway.

[Whitefoot]

I thought this thread was about road access?   

Should just hand the wildlife management over to the tribes. 🍿

If you can't beat ,then join them I suppose.
Even here in the northeast it's about the same 4 or 5 deer a year,Sept 1 -jan 1 Hunting season,they have the reservation + what they call the north half ,which is gmu 101 ,they mainly shoot mule deer antlerless,spikes you name it. When they pull up on a small herd of mule deer,and let's say there are two of them ,they can shoot the entire 10 deer herd.
And some do.
Then the next year they wonder where all the deer went.
It's freaking funny as all get out.

Give us your thoughts on road access like the OP had questioned if you’d like to try to keep it in the original topic.

The state has a road system and laws setup on ceded land.   Tribes are sovereign meaning that they're a country with in a country. State trying to regulate or enforce our laws normally has to be turned over to the tribe.   Tribes have different laws to these roads and seasons.  The green dot an unauthorized roads are state laws.  Same goes with units and all the other seasons.  We don't follow the same laws the state has set.   Ceded land follows almost the same format as the reservation.

I Agree.
The "story" with the north half is it was the reservation ,that the feds took back at a later date ,and the tribe retained hunting rights as ceded lands ,or something like that.
You can Google it ,but I think that's the short story anyway.

Correct!  Tract C, and D were miss managed and latter turned back into the closed area of the reservation.   Ceded is the part that was originally reservation but stevens took it away and made it ceded but same rights as the reservation right before the signing of the treaty.

[meatwhack]

Thanks for the info. I had no idea that ceded lands carried other regulations other than just hunting. Does this have any effect on road travel and traffic type violations or not?