1x scopes/red dots

[hunter399]

Got word from a little bird in the nest that no scopes this year

Now how could that be.      Haven't had the vote yet.   

ha vote no they made the decision

There was some muzzle loader group that didn't want scopes. Can't remember the name.
But they made comments at the Commission meeting about no scopes .

[Surfr716]

thats BS also if you dont think theres a advantage to a 1x versus a peep sight! I used a custom dot Vortex on a UT hunt and it was by far and away easier to aim at longer distances, by far more accurate and easier to see in low light. Then add in a rangefinder put a turret on it and and eliminate any holdover and can I could shoot 300 yards at a elk easily.

everyone wants everything easier. Use a rifle if you want scopes and longer shots. Next thing you know we will be UT or NM with 700 yard muzzleloaders completely defeating the purpose and reason of muzzy seasons.

I dont have a dog in the fight, I just dont see how an un-magnified scope provides any advantage. I agree muzzy hunting should be traditional, which means no peeps, fiber sites, 209 ignition, etc., but we are already so far from that now. If you want traditional hunting, you should be pushing to use an old smooth bore with iron sites and a cap and ball. 

As far as distance, I would question anybody's decision to be shooting an animal at 300 yards with a 1x scope or other legal sites. That is not an ethical shot ever with a muzzleloader, period.

Would you apply the same to archery?  Recurve/longbow with wood shaft arrows?

I'm my opinion ,we are at a pretty good balance of technology and fair chase vs ethical right now.
No need to go backwards to caveman ,stick and rock.
Some of the proposal for archery ,are more for range finding,before the shot,finding game animal after the shot.
Which I don't see any issue with that.
Now like using dogs to find wounded game.
1) people will use it as an excuse to use dog in aid of hunting before the shot.
2) people may ruin somebody's hunt plans ,when they have there dog out there for two days after the shot looking for a wounded animal that they most likely are not gonna find.

Public land and hunters trying to get away from each other in our short seasons is already a crap shoot. But hey let's add some dogs in there ,that will make it better.
FYI TOO, If we had longer seasons for deer and Elk ,I would not have one problem with dogs to find wounded game.
Most states that do allow it also have a lot longer seasons.
And the perception of hunters to non-hunters is not good.
Just watched a YouTube video of poachers using dogs at night to hunt deer.

i would disagree with using dogs to track wounded game. anything to help recover animals should be fair game as opposed to wasting an animal. also having watched how efficient finding game with dogs is i cant say anything about them that isnt positive. ive seen quite a few animals that would have been lost if not for a good tracking dog.

[huntnnw]

Got word from a little bird in the nest that no scopes this year

Now how could that be.      Haven't had the vote yet.   

how could they not of voted yet? regs are going to be out in what like 10 days?

[hunter399]

thats BS also if you dont think theres a advantage to a 1x versus a peep sight! I used a custom dot Vortex on a UT hunt and it was by far and away easier to aim at longer distances, by far more accurate and easier to see in low light. Then add in a rangefinder put a turret on it and and eliminate any holdover and can I could shoot 300 yards at a elk easily.

everyone wants everything easier. Use a rifle if you want scopes and longer shots. Next thing you know we will be UT or NM with 700 yard muzzleloaders completely defeating the purpose and reason of muzzy seasons.

I dont have a dog in the fight, I just dont see how an un-magnified scope provides any advantage. I agree muzzy hunting should be traditional, which means no peeps, fiber sites, 209 ignition, etc., but we are already so far from that now. If you want traditional hunting, you should be pushing to use an old smooth bore with iron sites and a cap and ball. 

As far as distance, I would question anybody's decision to be shooting an animal at 300 yards with a 1x scope or other legal sites. That is not an ethical shot ever with a muzzleloader, period.

Would you apply the same to archery?  Recurve/longbow with wood shaft arrows?

I'm my opinion ,we are at a pretty good balance of technology and fair chase vs ethical right now.
No need to go backwards to caveman ,stick and rock.
Some of the proposal for archery ,are more for range finding,before the shot,finding game animal after the shot.
Which I don't see any issue with that.
Now like using dogs to find wounded game.
1) people will use it as an excuse to use dog in aid of hunting before the shot.
2) people may ruin somebody's hunt plans ,when they have there dog out there for two days after the shot looking for a wounded animal that they most likely are not gonna find.

Public land and hunters trying to get away from each other in our short seasons is already a crap shoot. But hey let's add some dogs in there ,that will make it better.
FYI TOO, If we had longer seasons for deer and Elk ,I would not have one problem with dogs to find wounded game.
Most states that do allow it also have a lot longer seasons.
And the perception of hunters to non-hunters is not good.
Just watched a YouTube video of poachers using dogs at night to hunt deer.

i would disagree with using dogs to track wounded game. anything to help recover animals should be fair game as opposed to wasting an animal. also having watched how efficient finding game with dogs is i cant say anything about them that isnt positive. ive seen quite a few animals that would have been lost if not for a good tracking dog.

[Ghost Hunter]

Got word from a little bird in the nest that no scopes this year

Now how could that be.      Haven't had the vote yet.   

how could they not of voted yet? regs are going to be out in what like 10 days?

Have you kept up with the commissioner meetings schedule?
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2022/7-9april2022-fwc-agenda

[BigTines]

So what’s the official status of the 1x scope rule? Is it officially a NO or is the jury still out?

[JakeLand]

So what’s the official status of the 1x scope rule? Is it officially a NO or is the jury still out?

officially tomorrow night

[Limhangerslayer]

From what I just saw, get your 1x scopes mounted.

[JakeLand]

From what I just saw, get your 1x scopes mounted.

yep it looks that way , maybe my bird was wrong

[idahohuntr]

No 1x scopes. 

[Hairhunter]

Did. Not  Pass

[Hairhunter]

No. crossbows either.

[Limhangerslayer]

Where did you guys see that it didn’t pass?  When I watched it they said go ahead?

[Hairhunter]

  Watched the zoom meeting.

[Limhangerslayer]

I watched it too, but thought they said they were all in agreement?