STOP KILLING THE BABY MAKERS

[NOCK NOCK]

Bucks don’t cover 12 does in a year.
What are the non productive does doing all year long?
I’m not a rancher but I know what happens to non-productive cows on a cattle ranch.

*if* habitat were a factor they'd be robbing the producing does of prime feed, and need culled. 

But hunters can't tell the difference on doe hunts,  and habitat ain't a limitating factor in most areas.   

Barren does are often dominant and lead migrations and movements, they're an extra set of eyes for predators.

DONT PUT WORDS IN OTHER HUNTERS MOUTHS.

Pot meet Kettle (Literally)

[NOCK NOCK]

With that I am done. Thought I was providing some decent content. Guess not 

[broadhead]

I never had the gumption to shoot a muley doe in this state. Had permits twice but there were always fawns trailing. That was over 12 years ago and there were some does in that unit that could have been thinned. I never felt those particular deer should be bothered at all. But today I'd probably not even apply because the population isn't the same.

In fact I've just been doing the out of state whitetails thing lately. I have some decent ground to turn there where it's free, private property and decent odds.

If it was my kid I'd apply for it if she wanted. But other than that I think they're better left alone for the time being and going after whitetails instead. Lotsa opportunities there.

Out west there are deer and it's OK to shoot does imho. But they aren't muleys. And of course situation dictates. Especially those San Juan Islands. Plenty o does to take. Just have to do the leg work and all.

[jrebel]

This is why we have no deer......a few does dying to hunters pales in comparison to the number these guys kill.   

[KFhunter]

 

[Rainier10]

This is why we have no deer......a few does dying to hunters pales in comparison to the number these guys kill.   

This is a huge reason for lack of deer.

[Sakko300wsm]

This is why we have no deer......a few does dying to hunters pales in comparison to the number these guys kill.   

This comment is about the cougar pics above
Should focus on killing more of those baby makers and a few more bears instead of 40#’s off of a mule deer doe
Just my 

[browney5er]

At 7 years old I was on my first "hunt" with my Dad and Brother. Dad killed a doe and I was crying and afraid to look at it (blood yuk) 
2 years later  I killed my 1st deer, a doe. I was hooked from that moment on. I have killed a deer in WA state every year since, mostly bucks, but 10-12 does too.

To those who say does are not a true "hunt"  So you must feel that human woman are inferior too? 

I have killed 50-52 deer in Wa state, and of all those, the most memorable one was a doe that I killed in Swakane during an archery hunt. Spotting, plotting, sneaking, waiting, positioning, shooting.......yep it was hunting, just didnt have protruding bone on its head.

Wow 40 Bucks in 48 years is damn good success rate. Better than 80%

[Bob33]

This is why we have no deer......a few does dying to hunters pales in comparison to the number these guys kill.   

The cougars in that first photo alone probably kill 100 or more deer each year.

[jrebel]

This is why we have no deer......a few does dying to hunters pales in comparison to the number these guys kill.   

The cougars in that first photo alone probably kill 100 or more deer each year.

I pulled trail cams today and have a minimum of 7 cats and maybe as many as 10 different cats on cameras in the last 45 days.  Lets assume 7 cats at 40 deer per year per cat......280 deer dead and that is likely a conservative estimate.  This doesn't account for the 20+ bears I get on camera each year (same are / same cameras).   

[jrebel]

This is why we have no deer......a few does dying to hunters pales in comparison to the number these guys kill.   

This comment is about the cougar pics above
Should focus on killing more of those baby makers and a few more bears instead of 40#’s off of a mule deer doe
Just my 

If it only it was that easy......but yes I agree, we need to kill more of the cats and bears.  One of these days I will get proficient at killing cats......just need to keep at it. 

[duckmen1]

While breaking down my buck during this modern season there were actually 3 cougars within a few hundred yards calling out to each other. Little bit on edge the whole time getting the deer broke down. Made a lot of noise and they still stayed the whole time and called for a couple hours off and on. Very vocal. If it hadn't gotten dark on me I would have gone to take a look and tried to get a shot if they were all adult cougars. But almost sounded like one was a deeper voice to it and more mature. But was an awesome experience.

[bigmacc]

Hey bone, just got back, I’ll p.m ya. Worst year ever, valley floor to 8500 feet, seen more predators than deer. Our camp did kill 4 bears👍 Yep, STOP KILLING BABY MAKERS. There’s enough competition out there devastating our deer herds. It’s ok to teach our kids to not kill “ mamma” deer like my dad taught me, especially nowadays. That was back in the day when the Methow was 40 grand strong, now it’s less than half that, we have exploding cougar, bear, wolf and coyote populations, yet they keep dolling out doe tags! New wolf pack roaming Sullivans pond now, yep, ask me how I know. Stop killing does!

[jackelope]

Anyone know how many doe tags they gave out this year in the Methow units?

[bigmacc]

Anyone know how many doe tags they gave out this year in the Methow units?

Anyone know how many they have given out in the past while this herd was spiraling?

Sorry jackelope,the Methow is a mess right now, I know game guys, DNR/game guys and even a few FS guys. This herd is in the worst shape I’ve ever seen. We were basically bear hunting , (I said I would start killing predators 👍), we did. I don’t know how many doe permits were issued in the Methow but 1 would have been to many.

At one point my boy and I were in a particular spot in the north valley that we used to love to role bed roles on the ground and look at stars and BS, this year, all we heard was wolves.

I sat down around a fire with a couple this last week, they also agree. No names, no positions, no jobs mentioned.