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Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« on: December 11, 2022, 03:11:54 PM »
Iíve racked my brain researching pointing dogs and canít seem to find a breed that will offer what I want. Iíve hunted labs my whole life but have gone full bore on chukars the last few years and I think a pointing dog is next on the list. I want a dog with the personality and temperament of lab. All the drive in the field and an off switch when not. Natural retrieval instinct, can handle cold weather and swim. GSP and wire hairs have appealed but Iíve met some crazy ones but there are the outliers. I want a dog I can live with the other 9 months out of the year. Recently I came across wirehaired vizslas and they seem to be a possible match to what Iím looking for. Curious if anyone has hunted one before and their thoughts on them. Also looking for GSP/German Wirehair breeders that have a reputation for an off switch. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2022, 03:17:09 PM »
How about a pointing lab?
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2022, 04:40:01 PM »
How about a pointing lab?
My current lab is half Tiger Mountian pointing lab. She will point if birds are holding within 2-3í but Iíve never reinforced her pointing abilities as I used to primarily waterfowl hunt. Sheís 6 now and Iím curious if she could be trained to hold point at distance. Her drive is so insane though I doubt it could be accomplished. Mostly what I have seen labs donít have that rock solid point but I could be convinced.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2022, 05:04:14 PM »
I have a 6 year old female GWP that is very good at both upland and waterfowl.  Very even temperament and great family dog. I got her through "Idawire".  I believe Tom and Becky.  They were originally from Idaho and then moved to Rochester, WA when I got my dog. They are now in Texas but might be helpful in your search for a dog. I think a GWP may be something to consider.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2022, 05:38:33 PM »
I have a 6 year old female GWP that is very good at both upland and waterfowl.  Very even temperament and great family dog. I got her through "Idawire".  I believe Tom and Becky.  They were originally from Idaho and then moved to Rochester, WA when I got my dog. They are now in Texas but might be helpful in your search for a dog. I think a GWP may be something to consider.
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2022, 05:46:48 PM »
No experience hunting with vislas, but I believe the breed would be an excellent choice as a chukar focused dog. Can be excellent pointers and won't run too hot in the early part of the season. Plus, that nice short coat won't be an issue when you get into burrs.

We love the heck out of our 4 year old griffon and she does fairly well on chukar. Although harsh coated, she gets burrs and struggles a bit with heat in the early season. But, she flat out finds birds and hunts her heart out for all upland species and waterfowl too. Just prefers cold weather. She's tough as nails too - at least when it comes to cactus and porcupines. And, she definitely has that at home "off switch".

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2022, 06:59:23 PM »
The Columbia Basin pointing Labrador Club will start their training days the first Saturday in Feb.  Exact location hasn't been determined yet, but somewhere around Othello.  It would be a great opportunity for you to see just what these dogs are capable of.  In my opinion a pointing lab is exactly what you are looking for.   :twocents:
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2022, 07:02:38 PM »
How about a pointing lab?
My current lab is half Tiger Mountian pointing lab. She will point if birds are holding within 2-3í but Iíve never reinforced her pointing abilities as I used to primarily waterfowl hunt. Sheís 6 now and Iím curious if she could be trained to hold point at distance. Her drive is so insane though I doubt it could be accomplished. Mostly what I have seen labs donít have that rock solid point but I could be convinced.

It would take some doing, but it is doable.  I helped with a 5 yr old that didn't point at all.  By the time he was 6 he was a 4 time Grand Master!  Bring her to our training day as my guest.  You still have to pay for the birds. LOL!
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2022, 07:37:22 PM »
We searched for something very similar.  Living on the west side, having a water dog is a must. But wanting to get into upland we felt like we wanted something more than a lab. So, as I sit and type this, I have a 4 month old wireharied pointing griff pup sleeping on my lap. So far she seems to be checking all of the boxes, although she is starting to disagree with the wife's cat the bigger she gets!

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2022, 08:44:18 PM »
The Columbia Basin pointing Labrador Club will start their training days the first Saturday in Feb.  Exact location hasn't been determined yet, but somewhere around Othello.  It would be a great opportunity for you to see just what these dogs are capable of.  In my opinion a pointing lab is exactly what you are looking for.   :twocents:
That sounds like a great opportunity to see some pointing labs in action. I would love to attend the training days and bring my dog to see what she could do under guidance of someone experienced with pointing dogs. I just followed their Facebook page and Iíll keep my eyes open for updates. Iím really interested in getting her to consistently point. I took her quail hunting the other day after a big snow, birds were holding super tight in snow pockets under vegetation. She had 10 or so pretty solid points, granted most birds were within a foot from her nose. She was holding point long enough for me to walk up and release her to flush. My dad even shot his first bird in 40 years over my dog on a rock solid point. That was a good feeling. The instinct is definitely there.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2022, 07:30:58 AM »
Pudelpointer- Bob Ferris, in Boise. Had Labs for 30 years and switched about 8 years ago, best decision Iíve ever made. Easy to train, so much natural instinct, awesome in the field, and best of all, great dog at home. Definitely have an off switch. If someone comes over to the house, they act like all pointers, super excited and want attention, 5 minutes later theyíre asleep at their feet.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2022, 08:18:23 AM »
Sounds to me like you dont have a real choice. German Wirehaird Pointers are it. Great Upland dogs naturally, good water dogs and can be excellent with experience and training. Awesome noses and great family dogs. One of my hunting partners has always raised/hunted them. If you think they were crazy, id be surprised if it wasnt  due to lack of exercise. OR all the GWP i have encountered were super happy and excited to see new people and cracked out for attention.  :twocents:
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2022, 08:31:47 AM »
I'd put another plug in for Griffons or Cesky Fousek's.  Following those either GWPs or Pudelpointers.  I don't have any experience with the Wirehaired Vizsla's.  Basically looks like an attempt at a Pudelpointer or other versatile breed IMO.

There also some Large Munsterlander for sale on here from @johnnyj91.  I know the owner and stud of this litter; they would check all your boxes and certainly have an off switch.  https://www.extremeupland.com/large-musterlander  Probably would have the same early-season heat issue like Griffs that @robinhoodlum mentioned.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2022, 09:29:59 AM »
If you can wait a year or so for an off switch, then take a look at Gordon Setters.  If you aren't an experienced trainer or don't have the time, steer clear  :tup:

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2022, 01:56:40 PM »
I am 20 years into running wirehairs. Excellent dog that can do anything great. It'll take a year to teach that off switch. And owning property is an absolute must. Don't get fooled into thinking you can take them places to run. Doing that isn't enough and you'll end up with behavior problems. Great breeder from eastern Oregon who unfortunately has ended his line of dogs.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2022, 05:32:38 PM »
Pudelpointer- Bob Ferris, in Boise. Had Labs for 30 years and switched about 8 years ago, best decision Iíve ever made. Easy to train, so much natural instinct, awesome in the field, and best of all, great dog at home. Definitely have an off switch. If someone comes over to the house, they act like all pointers, super excited and want attention, 5 minutes later theyíre asleep at their feet.
Is that you Pat? Canít be too many fish makers with Pudelpointers 😂 Josh Pieratt here, hope retirement is treating you well wherever you ended up. Iíve definitely considered them, wish I was able to spend more time around your dogs to get a feel for them.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2022, 08:45:33 AM »
Pudelpointer- Bob Ferris, in Boise. Had Labs for 30 years and switched about 8 years ago, best decision Iíve ever made. Easy to train, so much natural instinct, awesome in the field, and best of all, great dog at home. Definitely have an off switch. If someone comes over to the house, they act like all pointers, super excited and want attention, 5 minutes later theyíre asleep at their feet.
This what came to mind for me. I trained a WPG for a client out of CA and she was very watery but didn't have the coat for the colder winters here in WA imo. I've seen some nice pudelpointers work both as retrievers and upland dogs and there are quite a few talented amateurs in WWA with Ferris lines.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2022, 09:24:02 AM »
I went to Large Munsterlanders.. wonderful dogs, point to water retrieve. Longer hair breed, great cold weather dogs...
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2022, 03:13:36 PM »
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2022, 04:00:53 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2022, 07:06:47 PM »
Take a look at the English Setters, wonderful hunting dogs and great family members. Travel well. Will relax by the fire at night and run all day long during the hunt. I'm on English Setter #4 now after living around Labs for many years. I use my Setters for upland (Chukar, Quail n Huns) and high mountain Grouse. Quite often, I pack in behind gates to hunt so we sleep in tents. They climb in after a day of running hard, get on their beds and stay there unless they're trying to get into my sleeping bag.
 If there's any issues or drawbacks to the English Setter, it's that they're smarter than the owners and what's worse, they know it.
 The only breeder I know of on the west side is Setter Ridge Kennels on Whidbey Island. We've gotten all of our dogs from this breeder but I know there are others for sure on the east side.
Good luck with your endeavor. Picking a hunting dog is a big decision.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2023, 01:10:04 PM »
I have recently became aware of the "Italian Bracco" and fell in love. The problem is finding a breeder with pups.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2023, 01:54:56 PM »
GWHP ALL THE WAY!!!   GSHPís are the most spastic dog alive, Iíll never own another.   Get a female WHP and you will jot be disappointed.  Also find a good lineage with a hunting blood line.  A pound puppy would be a mistake.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2023, 12:07:48 AM »
GWHP ALL THE WAY!!!   GSHPís are the most spastic dog alive, Iíll never own another.   Get a female WHP and you will jot be disappointed.  Also find a good lineage with a hunting blood line.  A pound puppy would be a mistake.

I cannot agree with your assessment that German Wire Hair Pointers are the most spastic dogs. That is not my experience, however they cannot be treated like fat labs. They do need exercise but  but are not as crack headed as some may say. Ive found them to be way more chill than German Shorthair Pointers.
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2023, 06:51:34 AM »
GWHP ALL THE WAY!!!   GSHPís are the most spastic dog alive, Iíll never own another.   Get a female WHP and you will jot be disappointed.  Also find a good lineage with a hunting blood line.  A pound puppy would be a mistake.

I cannot agree with your assessment that German Wire Hair Pointers are the most spastic dogs. That is not my experience, however they cannot be treated like fat labs. They do need exercise but  but are not as crack headed as some may say. Ive found them to be way more chill than German Shorthair Pointers.

Sounds like we agree.   WHP are awesome.  SHP are spastic and to be quite frank one of the dumbest dogs I have ever owned.   Good dogs for hunting but thatís about it. 

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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2023, 09:00:23 AM »
Take a look at the English Setters, wonderful hunting dogs and great family members. Travel well. Will relax by the fire at night and run all day long during the hunt. I'm on English Setter #4 now after living around Labs for many years. I use my Setters for upland (Chukar, Quail n Huns) and high mountain Grouse. Quite often, I pack in behind gates to hunt so we sleep in tents. They climb in after a day of running hard, get on their beds and stay there unless they're trying to get into my sleeping bag.
 If there's any issues or drawbacks to the English Setter, it's that they're smarter than the owners and what's worse, they know it.
 The only breeder I know of on the west side is Setter Ridge Kennels on Whidbey Island. We've gotten all of our dogs from this breeder but I know there are others for sure on the east side.
Good luck with your endeavor. Picking a hunting dog is a big decision.

Completely agree. I'm on my 3rd English setter and will probably have my 4th (and final) this spring. There was an English setter breeder named Jim Jorgenson in Bothell, and I think now Rochester, who has been active in field trials and has had some decent dogs. I have a relative who has had a couple from him. My current dog and next one come from Moscow, ID.

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2023, 09:53:04 AM »
GWHP ALL THE WAY!!!   GSHPís are the most spastic dog alive, Iíll never own another.   Get a female WHP and you will jot be disappointed.  Also find a good lineage with a hunting blood line.  A pound puppy would be a mistake.

I cannot agree with your assessment that German Wire Hair Pointers are the most spastic dogs. That is not my experience, however they cannot be treated like fat labs. They do need exercise but  but are not as crack headed as some may say. Ive found them to be way more chill than German Shorthair Pointers.

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Sounds like we agree.   WHP are awesome.  SHP are spastic and to be quite frank one of the dumbest dogs I have ever owned.   Good dogs for hunting but thatís about it.
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2023, 07:11:06 PM »
A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2023, 08:54:32 PM »
A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2023, 09:06:16 PM »
I'm very happy with my German Langhaar Pointer, great water dog too.

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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2023, 03:39:36 PM »
My daughter is very happy with her French Brittney! Very playful with the kids and has pointed a few quail in training and 1 hen! Seems to have an excellent noseÖ will try to follow my pointer in heavy cover however the Britt hasnít mastered the art of hunting heavy cover yet! She is quite adapt at light cover and stays very close! Iíve been impressed by her so far! We plan to take her and the oldest granddaughter out to the bird farm in February my Christmas present to them!


A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!
Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2023, 05:34:20 PM »
My daughter is very happy with her French Brittney! Very playful with the kids and has pointed a few quail in training and 1 hen! Seems to have an excellent noseÖ will try to follow my pointer in heavy cover however the Britt hasnít mastered the art of hunting heavy cover yet! She is quite adapt at light cover and stays very close! Iíve been impressed by her so far! We plan to take her and the oldest granddaughter out to the bird farm in February my Christmas present to them!


A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!
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Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?

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Very cool

Mine has energy for days heís pointed a few song birds in the field I run and train him in
And looks to have a great nose
Every time the wind shifts his nose goes up and heads into it
He ranges pretty far out but his recall is solid and I have a gps collar to keep track of him it gives me a little piece of mind when heís out of sight
Iím hoping to get him and my 10 year old grandson and my 2 daughters out to cook canyon sometime soon
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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2023, 06:00:55 PM »
My daughter is very happy with her French Brittney! Very playful with the kids and has pointed a few quail in training and 1 hen! Seems to have an excellent noseÖ will try to follow my pointer in heavy cover however the Britt hasnít mastered the art of hunting heavy cover yet! She is quite adapt at light cover and stays very close! Iíve been impressed by her so far! We plan to take her and the oldest granddaughter out to the bird farm in February my Christmas present to them!


A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!
Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM

Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?

I love my French Brittany great dog

Very cool

Mine has energy for days heís pointed a few song birds in the field I run and train him in
And looks to have a great nose
Every time the wind shifts his nose goes up and heads into it
He ranges pretty far out but his recall is solid and I have a gps collar to keep track of him it gives me a little piece of mind when heís out of sight
Iím hoping to get him and my 10 year old grandson and my 2 daughters out to cook canyon sometime soon
Smartest dog Iíve ever owned very trainable and shuts off his crazy energy indoors

This sounds like a great timeÖ have fun with that!

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2023, 06:15:13 PM »
My daughter is very happy with her French Brittney! Very playful with the kids and has pointed a few quail in training and 1 hen! Seems to have an excellent noseÖ will try to follow my pointer in heavy cover however the Britt hasnít mastered the art of hunting heavy cover yet! She is quite adapt at light cover and stays very close! Iíve been impressed by her so far! We plan to take her and the oldest granddaughter out to the bird farm in February my Christmas present to them!


A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!
Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM

Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?

I love my French Brittany great dog

Very cool

Mine has energy for days heís pointed a few song birds in the field I run and train him in
And looks to have a great nose
Every time the wind shifts his nose goes up and heads into it
He ranges pretty far out but his recall is solid and I have a gps collar to keep track of him it gives me a little piece of mind when heís out of sight
Iím hoping to get him and my 10 year old grandson and my 2 daughters out to cook canyon sometime soon
Smartest dog Iíve ever owned very trainable and shuts off his crazy energy indoors

This sounds like a great timeÖ have fun with that!

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Re: Pointing dog/breeder recommendations
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2023, 09:43:32 AM »
How about a pointing lab?
My current lab is half Tiger Mountian pointing lab. She will point if birds are holding within 2-3í but Iíve never reinforced her pointing abilities as I used to primarily waterfowl hunt. Sheís 6 now and Iím curious if she could be trained to hold point at distance. Her drive is so insane though I doubt it could be accomplished. Mostly what I have seen labs donít have that rock solid point but I could be convinced.

Take her back to John at TMPL for some training. I have a TM pup and a Brittany going there when John gets back to training this spring. A pointer and a Lab are a good combination too though.

 


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