Incentivizing cougar and bear harvest in the blues?

[buckfvr]

True predators should not be categorized as big game and should be subject to few if any rules and regulations.  Cats and dogs, 24/7 365, thermals, spot lights, all the above.  Omnivorous, (bears), are big game and should fall under special regs to address their "omni" tendencies during fawn/calve  periods with a special hunt (spring bear) and for that time frame, say may 1st to july 31st, hounds permitted.  General bear, no hounds.  I lived through the hound craze of the mid 70s-until it ended, baited also, and from the success I see from serious bear hunters today here in newa, hounds and bait are in no way needed for success in the general season.  Its actually easier right now to get a nice bear than a decent buck, bear being the best hunt over here.  Bear success, way easier than elk.

[KFhunter]

Get no argument from me!

[idahohuntr]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

A change like this would require commission approval.  And point systems are already a convoluted ponzi scheme in this state, so creating a new point incentives system (while well meaning) still exacerbates the inequity and stupidity of points in the first place.

As I noted years ago...follow the F4WM model...provide reimbursement to successful blues predator harvest from a private organization...cuts the commission out of it and does give some incentive.  It's the only realistic option for incentives...anything requiring gov't approval is a non-starter...might as well ask for baiting and hounds.     

[Special T]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

A change like this would require commission approval.  And point systems are already a convoluted ponzi scheme in this state, so creating a new point incentives system (while well meaning) still exacerbates the inequity and stupidity of points in the first place.

As I noted years ago...follow the F4WM model...provide reimbursement to successful blues predator harvest from a private organization...cuts the commission out of it and does give some incentive.  It's the only realistic option for incentives...anything requiring gov't approval is a non-starter...might as well ask for baiting and hounds.     

 


But this will ruffle some feathers. Do it for cats. Let tribal members participate as they can run hounds. If we could get a bunch of Yakima doing it the whole East side of the cascades could be cleaned up.

[pianoman9701]

At what point does the dire situation in the blues become an emergency?
Serious question.

Surely WDFW has authority to deem it an emergency and dispatch additional predator eradication measures.

According to the game management plan it is an emergency, they are 25% below objective. Normally that would meant that they would use hounds and cull the culprit in this case cats. BUT  they dont have that option, and Im not sure what other options would be effective.

Whatever is proposed outside the rules by the director has to be approved by the Wildlife Commission. Aint gonna happen. They want what's happening to happen. They'd speed up the destruction if they could.

[KFhunter]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

A change like this would require commission approval.  And point systems are already a convoluted ponzi scheme in this state, so creating a new point incentives system (while well meaning) still exacerbates the inequity and stupidity of points in the first place.

As I noted years ago...follow the F4WM model...provide reimbursement to successful blues predator harvest from a private organization...cuts the commission out of it and does give some incentive.  It's the only realistic option for incentives...anything requiring gov't approval is a non-starter...might as well ask for baiting and hounds.     

I wasn't revisiting the idea, I floated it, it sank 

We need something else, I don't know that F4WM would want to do anything here other than wolves

I imagine anything of tbat nature would be harassed, threatened whatever by the state, namely inslee and his dog

[Special T]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

A change like this would require commission approval.  And point systems are already a convoluted ponzi scheme in this state, so creating a new point incentives system (while well meaning) still exacerbates the inequity and stupidity of points in the first place.

As I noted years ago...follow the F4WM model...provide reimbursement to successful blues predator harvest from a private organization...cuts the commission out of it and does give some incentive.  It's the only realistic option for incentives...anything requiring gov't approval is a non-starter...might as well ask for baiting and hounds.     

I wasn't revisiting the idea, I floated it, it sank 

We need something else, I don't know that F4WM would want to do anything here other than wolves

I imagine anything of tbat nature would be harassed, threatened whatever by the state, namely inslee and his dog

I talked to Justin and he would love to do something in WA but the politics are not conducive and he felt he could do more good expanding to places like Montana and Wyoming

[KFhunter]

can't blame the guy

I would have liked to go to the dinner but I gotta work

[Britt-dog]

At what point does the dire situation in the blues become an emergency?
Serious question.

Surely WDFW has authority to deem it an emergency and dispatch additional predator eradication measures.

According to the game management plan it is an emergency, they are 25% below objective. Normally that would meant that they would use hounds and cull the culprit in this case cats. BUT  they dont have that option, and Im not sure what other options would be effective.

Whatever is proposed outside the rules by the director has to be approved by the Wildlife Commission. Aint gonna happen. They want what's happening to happen. They'd speed up the destruction if they could.

Unfortunately this is correct. If anyone thinks there will be any positive change in this state under the current administration with these commissioners your crazy.

[KFhunter]

cold hard truth there


we can dream up all the stuff we want, but until Inslee is gone we're getting soaked pizzin into the wind here fella's