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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2023, 02:23:05 PM »
Make sure to take a look at the Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader.  It is a solid accurate muzzleloader.  It can shoot up to 200 grains of powder and capable of a 300 yard shot.  They are well worth the money.  If you happen to go that route message me and i will point you in the rite way of what bullet and powder combo to use.

I researched that one as well, and looks like a great gun as well, seems very comparable to the CVA but is it only available in 50 cal? also, the CVA LR-X is significantly cheaper. I think the Remington better compares with the  paramount
I tried the accura lrx .45 cal route this spring and it was an epic fail fyi. Buyer beware. A bit of googling will show you I'm not alone.
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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2023, 02:24:15 PM »
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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2023, 02:26:49 PM »
This thread shows my issues.


https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,281062.0.html

I read this chain, and I have seen other similar comments as well as tons of comments ont he accuracy of the gun so not sure what to do.

this chain also made me want to consider the knight ultra-light

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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2023, 02:36:31 PM »
No hands on experience myself, but my coworker had to have a barrel replaced on his CVA Optima last year as well after shooting 2-3 loads down it. He said customer service was great - but obviously you don't want to have to replace a barrel immediately after purchasing.

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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2023, 02:40:42 PM »
For every one complaint, there are likely 100 good experiences.  I have nothing but good things to say about my Accuras.....and they are as accurate as any other muzzleloader I have ever owned.  Like anything, you have to find what each muzzy likes...powder charge, bullet, sabot, etc.  I had mine out last week getting ready for deer season and it was shooting the same ragged holes at 100 yards (open sights).  At 200 yards it will shoot 3-4" all day....which the limiting factor is most likely my eyes.   

I also wonder if people are weighing their powder charges and not understanding how to weigh a powder charge.  100 grains by volume is likely closer to 120-130 grains by volume.  If a person is weighing 150 grains of powder they are grossly overcharging their muzzy!!  Point being, if someone is not well versed in muzzleloaders, they can be their own worst enemy.   Buy one, put a good sight on it, work up a load and you get out their hunting.  Muzzy hunting is a lot of fun. 

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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2023, 02:47:54 PM »
Knight Ultralight is what u/SabotLoader will (likely) recommend. It's a great option and the next muzzy I'll buy. Currently have a Knight DISC.

Interesting article on .45 vs .50 cal. Not sure how old it is or if the load maximums still apply.

https://chuckhawks.com/muzzleloading_hype.htm

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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2023, 02:49:36 PM »
This thread shows my issues.


https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,281062.0.html

I read this chain, and I have seen other similar comments as well as tons of comments ont he accuracy of the gun so not sure what to do.

this chain also made me want to consider the knight ultra-light
obviously my experience is a sample of one. I fancy myself a pretty understanding and patient guy. Lemons happen with literally every product on earth. What wrote me off of another cva is the fact they couldn't replace it with a functioning rifle. There's some QC issues going on there that are concerning. Their accuracy guarantee is moa for 3 shots and they couldn't produce that. 3 shots is worthless in my opinion as well. There's not enough data in 3 shots to prove any semblance of accuracy. 5 min, 7 even better, and 10 is the real proving ground.

My first gun was a .54 cal hawkins carbine and 30 years later I still have a love affair with muzzleloaders. My knight finally gave up the ghost last year and that slick accura had me lusting. Good NV muzzy tag in my pocket this year so had to scramble to get a new muzzy after the accura debacle. Borrowed Bullblasters knight disc extreme and Coachcw's ultra light. Settled on the disc extreme because I liked the bare primer ignition it had better than the plastic jackets that the ultra light had .  First range trip out using hornady 290gr boredrivers and 75gr by weight of BH209 produced a six shot .88" group and was repeatable every time out (this was with a scope). First shot was a fouling shot then they just started stacking. This is what a modern muzzleloader should do. I've shot thousands of rounds out of muzzleloaders and that KA POW never gets old 😍
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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2023, 06:00:16 PM »
I use a .54 Hawkins side lock, 110gr of 3Fg and a 460gr Buffalow Bore ball. I get 1.5" groups at 100 yards. Never put it on paper at 200 but I can ring the gong at that range. 
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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2023, 06:15:54 PM »


Alright, now I wan that knight ultralight. Anyone have one and have shot it? My only concern is how bad the recoil is on a 6 lb rifle

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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2023, 06:26:42 PM »


Alright, now I wan that knight ultralight. Anyone have one and have shot it? My only concern is how bad the recoil is on a 6 lb rifle
as I stated previous, I put a bunch of rounds through one this summer and it's not bad at all. They have a nice recoil pad that performs well. Shooting it side by side with the disc extreme I couldn't tell the difference.
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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2023, 06:28:54 PM »


Alright, now I wan that knight ultralight. Anyone have one and have shot it? My only concern is how bad the recoil is on a 6 lb rifle
as I stated previous, I put a bunch of rounds through one this summer and it's not bad at all. They have a nice recoil pad that performs well. Shooting it side by side with the disc extreme I couldn't tell the difference.

Can you put the Williams peep sight on it? And what bullet/powder do you shoot in it?

One thing I like about the CVA is they help me be lazy and tell me what bullet and primer set up is!

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Alright, now I wan that knight ultralight. Anyone have one and have shot it? My only concern is how bad the recoil is on a 6 lb rifle
as I stated previous, I put a bunch of rounds through one this summer and it's not bad at all. They have a nice recoil pad that performs well. Shooting it side by side with the disc extreme I couldn't tell the difference.

Can you put the Williams peep sight on it? And what bullet/powder do you shoot in it?

One thing I like about the CVA is they help me be lazy and tell me what bullet and primer set up is!
Well that works until it doesn't  :chuckle: I did exactly what they said as well  :o

I had both setup with a Williams rear peep and front sight with the inserts. They both shot amazing with a number of projectiles and both 777 and BH209 but settled on the 290gr hornady boredrivers. I chose the disc extreme solely based on the ignition system. I preferred the bare primer over the plastic disc's (personal preference as both functioned fine).

I'll be snagging a .45 cal ultralight this winter. Would have bought one sooner but the time I got the cva debacle settled it was mid summer and borrowing proven shooters seemed like a better option than starting from scratch with a new gun only being 6 weeks out from a hunt.
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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2023, 08:24:40 PM »
Karl Iím confused, I thought all Knight DISC muzzies required the plastic jackets to use a 209 primer? Are you mixing up the ultra light and the DISC in your typing?

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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2023, 10:26:00 PM »
Karl Iím confused, I thought all Knight DISC muzzies required the plastic jackets to use a 209 primer? Are you mixing up the ultra light and the DISC in your typing?
You can order them with either bare primer or the plastic jackets but these were borrowed rifles as my bighorn saw serious accuracy degradation after 22 years of hard use. The disc extreme had the bare primer ignition and the ultra light had the plastic jackets. I like the bare primer better so used bullblasters disc extreme over the ultra light of coachcw. Accuracy was equally as good between both.
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Re: purchasing a muzzleloader
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2023, 10:55:20 PM »
Karl,
why are you getting a 45?
Ballistics?
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