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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2024, 01:38:05 PM »
If I was a betting man I'd put money down that most of you advocating for a draw will be singing a different tune 5 years from now
I'm definitely saving this thread under favorites so I can circle back with my "I told you so's"  :chuckle:
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2024, 01:40:17 PM »
If I was a betting man I'd put money down that most of you advocating for a draw will be singing a different tune 5 years from now

I know I will...
I'll be on here telling all you wa homies to stop your crying and whining and to fix your own state before messing up mine ...:chuckle:

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2024, 01:41:25 PM »
I like it and will make it fair. Let groups apply so their party can hunt together. That BS system they run now is a joke.

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2024, 01:44:18 PM »
There's a lot of ways to fix idahos Dec 1 mess other then a draw...they created this artificial demand... and now people who don't know any better want to solve a problem with another problem.

This is simply a feel good for californiacated residents and money grab for the state


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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2024, 01:45:43 PM »
If I was a betting man I'd put money down that most of you advocating for a draw will be singing a different tune 5 years from now
I'm definitely saving this thread under favorites so I can circle back with my "I told you so's"  :chuckle:

 :yeah:

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2024, 01:48:35 PM »
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.
I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.

They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.

 :yeah:

Separate days for species or even go as far as regions if necessary.

If you want to buy as a group then you choose a leader to log in.
Pre-select your hunt group by a certain date (say up to 4 guys) and have a leader who is the only one who can buy for the group.  (takes 3 guys out of the que).

Guys/Gals who don't want to buy as a group can que in as it is.

Single device in the que per person.

Single species purchase once in the portal???


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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2024, 01:57:42 PM »
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.
I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.

They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.

 :yeah:

Separate days for species or even go as far as regions if necessary.

If you want to buy as a group then you choose a leader to log in.
Pre-select your hunt group by a certain date (say up to 4 guys) and have a leader who is the only one who can buy for the group.  (takes 3 guys out of the que).

Guys/Gals who don't want to buy as a group can que in as it is.

Single device in the que per person.

Single species purchase once in the portal???
  :yeah: but don't forget your $185 big game license to apply for a CHANCE to draw. Gonna be some salty folks with not selected by their name with a $185 license in their pocket  :chuckle:
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2024, 01:59:24 PM »
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.
I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.

They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.

 :yeah:

Separate days for species or even go as far as regions if necessary.

If you want to buy as a group then you choose a leader to log in.
Pre-select your hunt group by a certain date (say up to 4 guys) and have a leader who is the only one who can buy for the group.  (takes 3 guys out of the que).

Guys/Gals who don't want to buy as a group can que in as it is.

Single device in the que per person.

Single species purchase once in the portal???
  :yeah: but don't forget your $185 big game license to apply for a CHANCE to draw. Gonna be some salty folks with not selected by their name with a $185 license in their pocket  :chuckle:
But, they will be able to apply for special permits later, correct?
“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2024, 02:02:21 PM »
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.
I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.

They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.

 :yeah:

Separate days for species or even go as far as regions if necessary.

If you want to buy as a group then you choose a leader to log in.
Pre-select your hunt group by a certain date (say up to 4 guys) and have a leader who is the only one who can buy for the group.  (takes 3 guys out of the que).

Guys/Gals who don't want to buy as a group can que in as it is.

Single device in the que per person.

Single species purchase once in the portal???
  :yeah: but don't forget your $185 big game license to apply for a CHANCE to draw. Gonna be some salty folks with not selected by their name with a $185 license in their pocket  :chuckle:
But, they will be able to apply for special permits later, correct?
I'd assume so :dunno: nobody really knows at this point. If they keep the general and LE separate then I'd assume yes which will add a lot more folks into the draw more than likely. 

This reminds me of Nancy Pelosi's "you have to pass the bill to know what's in it"  :chuckle:
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2024, 02:02:49 PM »
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.
I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.

They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.

Aren't there a lot of guys who also just want a tag who can't due to the current systems issues? 

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2024, 02:09:00 PM »
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.
I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.

They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.

Aren't there a lot of guys who also just want a tag who can't due to the current systems issues?
elk for sure. As for deer I don't know. I've yet to hear of anyone who gets into the virtual waiting room on time that gets a number so high they can't get some form of tag. No doubt those first few years there were endless system glitches that could have put a guy out but I know one year I got booted two separate times, made it to checkout on 3rd attempt to be booted again, got back in line a 4th time and still got a tag with a gue number of 58k. Took like 5 full hours.

That's pretty worst case scenario imo. But I wanted a tag so I stuck with it. I very much like the Dec 1 form of tag sales but it absolutely needs an overhaul not a draw :chuckle:
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2024, 02:23:06 PM »
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.
I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.

They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.

Aren't there a lot of guys who also just want a tag who can't due to the current systems issues?

Are you thinking everybody who wants a tag will get one with a draw? There were elk tags to be had right up until the end of season last year. We drove over and bought one 2 days before the season closed and killed a bull the next morning. I got burned by the current system 3 years running and I still don't want a draw, when the fixes are so simple to implement.

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2024, 02:25:49 PM »
I think there is difference in experience between guys wanting elk tags and guys wanting deer tags. Lot more demand for the elk tags so a lot more guys getting burned :twocents:
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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2024, 02:43:54 PM »
DEC 1 is such a $4it show that I kind of want a draw. Especially if they are letting be know before christmas.
I guess it all comes down to what you're after. For me I want a tag. A Dec 1 sale as is gives me a tag. Maybe not my first choice but I'll get a tag. I've had numbers in the 30k+ that have gotten me tags. With a draw (obviously speculative) but it's not even remotely a guarantee unless you're picking 39 deer as your first choice.

They could separate deer and elk to different days, eliminate the multiple devices, eliminate the tag buying for buddies, and create a system where you could que in as partners or a group of some sort and it would streamline the entire thing. Instead we are gonna create another draw monster.

Aren't there a lot of guys who also just want a tag who can't due to the current systems issues?

Are you thinking everybody who wants a tag will get one with a draw? There were elk tags to be had right up until the end of season last year. We drove over and bought one 2 days before the season closed and killed a bull the next morning. I got burned by the current system 3 years running and I still don't want a draw, when the fixes are so simple to implement.

No.  I understand there is a limited amount of tags.
Depending on how they roll it out, you may have a more equal playing field when it comes to getting tags. 

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Re: Here goes idaho
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2024, 02:59:51 PM »
Looks like deer, elk, and antelope only.  From the Statement of Purpose document attached to the bill:

"STATEMENT OF PURPOSE

RS31406 / H0587

This legislation requires all nonresident tags and permits issued by the Department of Fish & Game for deer,
elk, and pronghorn antelope to be issued through a draw process, instead of an over-the-counter purchase."


Also from the same document, here is what I believe is the real motivation for the legislature to get involved, no matter if the people or IDFG actually wants it:


"FISCAL NOTE

It is expected that this legislation will have a positive impact on the Fish & Game funds. However, the amount
of positive impact will depend on how many nonresidents apply for the drawing for deer, elk, and pronghorn
antelope tags.
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