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Quote from: Loup Loup on June 27, 2024, 01:29:12 PMBreaking news:We, representatives of WSTA, have offered an olive branch to WDFW, in that we have asked them to attend the roundevous in August, and give us guidance as to what they want/expect in these jaws.To their credit, they are agreeable (so far so good)to trappers helping develope methods/ procedures on how to extract these jaws. We also want insight, ideas from taxidermists and predator hunters.Our goal is to help guide this process to make it as less invasive, burdensome to the harvester as possible, and yet, produce a specimen that will yield usable data.I think (relatively speaking) this is huge. In the conversations I've had with the WDFW biologists, they were naively surprised that the verbiage of how the jaws would be turned in was confusing, and would add friction. One thing I think we need to realize. 1. Turning in the jaws is a done deal. 2. Canines have been proven over and over in multiple states to put age window in days. In retrospect-hindsight being 20/20, instead of focusing on incisors and such, we collectively should have put weight on things like "voluntary" and a cash "bounty" to encourage participation. These same biologists were surprised-shocked-that not every trapper skinned, put up, their own hides. To these persons' credit (NOT BIG WDFW) they listened to the taker/harvester perspective of how to best meet their goals. To this end they want us to show-even teach-them on best practices from taking a raw skull to separating the jaw and completing this the way WE think it should be done. When was the last time WDFW asked for this? This is a great way to influence future decisions (things go better when they go our way)For those nay-sayers, and "I'll just give them the whole skull and too bad" crowd. 1. You KNOW this won't work. You won't get your pelt sealed and then be mad about it. See how that helps us as an organization. 2. Folks bitch that WDFW won't work with us, and when they offer to, folks bitch that they are. No one says trust them. But this is a way to influence through action and behavior. We CAN'T stop the decision on collecting jaws. That boat has sailed. We CAN influence how, which gives legitimacy to WSTA.
Breaking news:We, representatives of WSTA, have offered an olive branch to WDFW, in that we have asked them to attend the roundevous in August, and give us guidance as to what they want/expect in these jaws.To their credit, they are agreeable (so far so good)to trappers helping develope methods/ procedures on how to extract these jaws. We also want insight, ideas from taxidermists and predator hunters.Our goal is to help guide this process to make it as less invasive, burdensome to the harvester as possible, and yet, produce a specimen that will yield usable data.
Quote from: Frank The Tank on July 01, 2024, 11:19:36 PMQuote from: Loup Loup on June 27, 2024, 01:29:12 PMBreaking news:We, representatives of WSTA, have offered an olive branch to WDFW, in that we have asked them to attend the roundevous in August, and give us guidance as to what they want/expect in these jaws.To their credit, they are agreeable (so far so good)to trappers helping develope methods/ procedures on how to extract these jaws. We also want insight, ideas from taxidermists and predator hunters.Our goal is to help guide this process to make it as less invasive, burdensome to the harvester as possible, and yet, produce a specimen that will yield usable data.I think (relatively speaking) this is huge. In the conversations I've had with the WDFW biologists, they were naively surprised that the verbiage of how the jaws would be turned in was confusing, and would add friction. One thing I think we need to realize. 1. Turning in the jaws is a done deal. 2. Canines have been proven over and over in multiple states to put age window in days. In retrospect-hindsight being 20/20, instead of focusing on incisors and such, we collectively should have put weight on things like "voluntary" and a cash "bounty" to encourage participation. These same biologists were surprised-shocked-that not every trapper skinned, put up, their own hides. To these persons' credit (NOT BIG WDFW) they listened to the taker/harvester perspective of how to best meet their goals. To this end they want us to show-even teach-them on best practices from taking a raw skull to separating the jaw and completing this the way WE think it should be done. When was the last time WDFW asked for this? This is a great way to influence future decisions (things go better when they go our way)For those nay-sayers, and "I'll just give them the whole skull and too bad" crowd. 1. You KNOW this won't work. You won't get your pelt sealed and then be mad about it. See how that helps us as an organization. 2. Folks bitch that WDFW won't work with us, and when they offer to, folks bitch that they are. No one says trust them. But this is a way to influence through action and behavior. We CAN'T stop the decision on collecting jaws. That boat has sailed. We CAN influence how, which gives legitimacy to WSTA. your wrong Frank 1) I lose money giving them the jaw to a cat 2) I lose money because time is money as you know taking out he jaw takes time 3) there are ONLY 2 age classes of cats period juvenile or adult so what’s the difference and why do they care of the age class when this state is literally loaded with cats All the trappers in this state trapping cats don’t touch 1% of the country trapping , you can trap a area every year and catch every cat in that area and next year there will be just as many that fill in They won’t do crap with the teeth as we all know it’s very stupid
Quote from: Frank The Tank on July 01, 2024, 11:19:36 PMQuote from: Loup Loup on June 27, 2024, 01:29:12 PMBreaking news:We, representatives of WSTA, have offered an olive branch to WDFW, in that we have asked them to attend the roundevous in August, and give us guidance as to what they want/expect in these jaws.To their credit, they are agreeable (so far so good)to trappers helping develope methods/ procedures on how to extract these jaws. We also want insight, ideas from taxidermists and predator hunters.Our goal is to help guide this process to make it as less invasive, burdensome to the harvester as possible, and yet, produce a specimen that will yield usable data.I think (relatively speaking) this is huge. In the conversations I've had with the WDFW biologists, they were naively surprised that the verbiage of how the jaws would be turned in was confusing, and would add friction. One thing I think we need to realize. 1. Turning in the jaws is a done deal. 2. Canines have been proven over and over in multiple states to put age window in days. In retrospect-hindsight being 20/20, instead of focusing on incisors and such, we collectively should have put weight on things like "voluntary" and a cash "bounty" to encourage participation. These same biologists were surprised-shocked-that not every trapper skinned, put up, their own hides. To these persons' credit (NOT BIG WDFW) they listened to the taker/harvester perspective of how to best meet their goals. To this end they want us to show-even teach-them on best practices from taking a raw skull to separating the jaw and completing this the way WE think it should be done. When was the last time WDFW asked for this? This is a great way to influence future decisions (things go better when they go our way)For those nay-sayers, and "I'll just give them the whole skull and too bad" crowd. 1. You KNOW this won't work. You won't get your pelt sealed and then be mad about it. See how that helps us as an organization. 2. Folks bitch that WDFW won't work with us, and when they offer to, folks bitch that they are. No one says trust them. But this is a way to influence through action and behavior. We CAN'T stop the decision on collecting jaws. That boat has sailed. We CAN influence how, which gives legitimacy to WSTA. This is like saying if we bring our shovels and dig our own holes then maybe they wont bury us in it. The wdfw will only use this data to paint a false picture that too many juvenile cats are harvested each year and further limit our opportunities to trap and hunt. Have they told us how this will benefit hunters or trappers? I would be amazed if a single positive outcome came from this…ill wait to be proven wrong…is it even legal for them to refuse to tag a cat that was legally harvested and is meeting cites requirements?
