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Seekins PH2. I know it’s not the two brands you’re asking about, just trying to save you from a mistake. Seekins makes amazing rifles.
Of the two....Bergara would get the nod. That said, I think for the money you talking....there are a lot better choices out there. 1. Savage ultralite2. Weatherby 307 alpine CT 3. Weatherby mark V back country carbon4. Seekins pro hunter (non carbon but super nice rifles and lite)5. Springfield waypoint (newer production hoping they fixed the firing pin issue)
Quote from: jrebel on December 05, 2024, 09:36:46 PMOf the two....Bergara would get the nod. That said, I think for the money you talking....there are a lot better choices out there. 1. Savage ultralite2. Weatherby 307 alpine CT 3. Weatherby mark V back country carbon4. Seekins pro hunter (non carbon but super nice rifles and lite)5. Springfield waypoint (newer production hoping they fixed the firing pin issue)I appreciate the input. Is there anything about the Bergara you don’t like?I personally think the savage is super ugly and that really keeps me away from it haha the other one I have looked a lot at is the weatherby 307 ct
Quote from: edaniels97 on December 06, 2024, 06:10:19 AMQuote from: jrebel on December 05, 2024, 09:36:46 PMOf the two....Bergara would get the nod. That said, I think for the money you talking....there are a lot better choices out there. 1. Savage ultralite2. Weatherby 307 alpine CT 3. Weatherby mark V back country carbon4. Seekins pro hunter (non carbon but super nice rifles and lite)5. Springfield waypoint (newer production hoping they fixed the firing pin issue)I appreciate the input. Is there anything about the Bergara you don’t like?I personally think the savage is super ugly and that really keeps me away from it haha the other one I have looked a lot at is the weatherby 307 ctI have nothing against Bergara rifles. I personally would not buy the bergara and then place it in another stock to shed weight (assuming that is why you would swap stocks).....sole reason being added price. If I was going to do that, I would just buy one of the above. I'm a savage fan, so I am a little biased. I own multiple savages and with my handloads, they all shoot sub MOA and most consistently print half or better MOA groups. That said, I know a lot of factory rifles....including Bergara.....can do the same. Based on the limited info in your original post, it looks like you are shopping for a mountain rifle that is light and easy to pack. The list above would be my top choices for that purpose. What caliber? What barrel length are you looking for? What is the purpose? Are you putting a can on it?.....if so, maybe the new sig cross trax in .308 with a can. That would be a sweet set up. Savage, Bergara and Weatherby all make chassis rifles with collapsible stocks with short barrels that would be great mountain rifles.
I own both the ultralite and the ph2. Both are phenomenal rifles and both are better shooters than I am capable of keeping up with. That savage is a dream to carry, even with a can on the end. No personal experience with bergara or fierce. Good luck, rifle shopping sure is fun!
Quote from: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 05, 2024, 10:39:15 PMSeekins PH2. I know it’s not the two brands you’re asking about, just trying to save you from a mistake. Seekins makes amazing rifles.The only thing about the Seekins that I don’t like is that it’s a 26” barrel. That’s a long stick to hike around timber with
Why do folks want short barrels on a 7 PRC? Anything less than 24" and you are leaving velocity on the table. 24-26" with 26 being preferrable in my humble opinion. The 7 prc is getting bad reviews for having anemic velocities at best.....this is partially due to overestimated velocities by Hornady factory ammo and also because all the rifle manufacturers are making these rifles with 20-22" barrels (I'm assuming because so many people hunt suppressed now days). If I'm buying a magnum rifle, I want speed.....otherwise you are better off just buying a 7-08. If I was hell bent on a 20-22" 7prc....I would be shooting light weight mono's to pick up speed. This is a double edged sword though and I guess to each their own. But I digress.....
Quote from: jrebel on December 06, 2024, 08:45:04 AMWhy do folks want short barrels on a 7 PRC? Anything less than 24" and you are leaving velocity on the table. 24-26" with 26 being preferrable in my humble opinion. The 7 prc is getting bad reviews for having anemic velocities at best.....this is partially due to overestimated velocities by Hornady factory ammo and also because all the rifle manufacturers are making these rifles with 20-22" barrels (I'm assuming because so many people hunt suppressed now days). If I'm buying a magnum rifle, I want speed.....otherwise you are better off just buying a 7-08. If I was hell bent on a 20-22" 7prc....I would be shooting light weight mono's to pick up speed. This is a double edged sword though and I guess to each their own. But I digress..... Why would anybody want 1000yd+ capability in a handy, lightweight sub 40" rifle?
Quote from: Mtnwalker on December 06, 2024, 09:52:09 AMQuote from: jrebel on December 06, 2024, 08:45:04 AMWhy do folks want short barrels on a 7 PRC? Anything less than 24" and you are leaving velocity on the table. 24-26" with 26 being preferrable in my humble opinion. The 7 prc is getting bad reviews for having anemic velocities at best.....this is partially due to overestimated velocities by Hornady factory ammo and also because all the rifle manufacturers are making these rifles with 20-22" barrels (I'm assuming because so many people hunt suppressed now days). If I'm buying a magnum rifle, I want speed.....otherwise you are better off just buying a 7-08. If I was hell bent on a 20-22" 7prc....I would be shooting light weight mono's to pick up speed. This is a double edged sword though and I guess to each their own. But I digress..... Why would anybody want 1000yd+ capability in a handy, lightweight sub 40" rifle? I get it.....but for the chambering, it is already lethargic....why handicap it more with a short barrel. If you want a short rifle for packing and you really like the 7 PRC, go with a folding chassis and keep a 26" barrel. You can do this and still have a sub 7 lbs rifle.
Haven't used either, but have had my eye on Christensen Arms Ridgeline FFT in 300 WSM. They do offer 7 PRC.I do plan on a can.Just over the $2k MSRP for the rifle.
I get it.....but for the chambering, it is already lethargic....
Quote from: jrebel on December 06, 2024, 10:01:06 AMI get it.....but for the chambering, it is already lethargic....Curious, why do you believe this and or what other .284/7mm are you comparing it to that makes you say the 7 PRC is lethargic or has anemic velocities??
Quote from: b23 on December 06, 2024, 10:44:54 AMQuote from: jrebel on December 06, 2024, 10:01:06 AMI get it.....but for the chambering, it is already lethargic....Curious, why do you believe this and or what other .284/7mm are you comparing it to that makes you say the 7 PRC is lethargic or has anemic velocities??Referencing the velocities the PRC chambering were marketed as and then in comparison the the old tried and true 7mm mag. The 7 PRC was way over hyped and has proven not to live up to those velocities with factory offerings. Now...if you reload, you can get more out of the chambering. If I was going with a PRC chambering, it would be the 300 PRC as you can push heavier bullets equally as fast as lighter bullets in the 7 PRC. I'm not at all saying the 7 PRC is a bad cartridge..... I just think it fell short of all the hype. I know there is a huge following for 7mm and the high BC bullets, but most folks don't shoot far enough for it to really matter. If you are the average shooter / hunter that limits your range to 600 yards or less (most should limit their range to 300 or less), then it really doesn't matter. Hell even at 1000 yards.......it probably doesn't matter. I just think there are better 7mm offerings....my opinion.
Quote from: jrebel on December 06, 2024, 11:17:28 AMQuote from: b23 on December 06, 2024, 10:44:54 AMQuote from: jrebel on December 06, 2024, 10:01:06 AMI get it.....but for the chambering, it is already lethargic....Curious, why do you believe this and or what other .284/7mm are you comparing it to that makes you say the 7 PRC is lethargic or has anemic velocities??Referencing the velocities the PRC chambering were marketed as and then in comparison the the old tried and true 7mm mag. The 7 PRC was way over hyped and has proven not to live up to those velocities with factory offerings. Now...if you reload, you can get more out of the chambering. If I was going with a PRC chambering, it would be the 300 PRC as you can push heavier bullets equally as fast as lighter bullets in the 7 PRC. I'm not at all saying the 7 PRC is a bad cartridge..... I just think it fell short of all the hype. I know there is a huge following for 7mm and the high BC bullets, but most folks don't shoot far enough for it to really matter. If you are the average shooter / hunter that limits your range to 600 yards or less (most should limit their range to 300 or less), then it really doesn't matter. Hell even at 1000 yards.......it probably doesn't matter. I just think there are better 7mm offerings....my opinion. I’ve seen a lot of reviews that the velocity of 7 prc is well below the published data. Specifically the Hornady ammo.
Quote from: jrebel on December 06, 2024, 08:45:04 AMWhy do folks want short barrels on a 7 PRC? Anything less than 24" and you are leaving velocity on the table. 24-26" with 26 being preferrable in my humble opinion. The 7 prc is getting bad reviews for having anemic velocities at best.....this is partially due to overestimated velocities by Hornady factory ammo and also because all the rifle manufacturers are making these rifles with 20-22" barrels (I'm assuming because so many people hunt suppressed now days). If I'm buying a magnum rifle, I want speed.....otherwise you are better off just buying a 7-08. If I was hell bent on a 20-22" 7prc....I would be shooting light weight mono's to pick up speed. This is a double edged sword though and I guess to each their own. But I digress..... You don't need a ton of velocity with the high BC bullets. 2800 is easily attainable with a 20-22" barrel with the 7PRC and the 175 ELDX ammo that is readily available. I'm getting 2960 with a 22" barrel, Nosler 175 ABLR and RL26 I just guessed at 3050 and the 139 LRX but the 175 ELDX quickly surpasses the lighter bullet in wind deflection while elevation is fairly even. I'll give up the velocity for the shorter, lighter more compact package any day. Especially shooting suppressed and hunting timber/back country. 175.0 gr. Hornady ELD-X (2841) - .284 (7mm) @ 2,800 fps139.0 gr. Barnes LRX (30295) - .284 (7mm) @ 3,050 fpsRange Velocity Time of Flight Elevation Windage(yards) (fps) (sec) (moa) (moa)0 2,800 / 3,050 0.00 / 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 0.0 / 0.0100 2,666 / 2,842 0.11 / 0.10 0.0 / 0.0 0.4 / 0.6200 2,535 / 2,644 0.23 / 0.21 -1.6 / -1.3 0.9 / 1.2300 2,408 / 2,454 0.35 / 0.33 -3.9 / -3.4 1.4 / 1.9400 2,284 / 2,272 0.48 / 0.46 -6.4 / -5.8 1.9 / 2.6500 2,165 / 2,097 0.61 / 0.59 -9.3 / -8.5 2.5 / 3.4600 2,049 / 1,931 0.75 / 0.74 -12.3 / -11.6 3.1 / 4.3700 1,936 / 1,773 0.90 / 0.91 -15.6 / -15.0 3.7 / 5.2800 1,827 / 1,625 1.06 / 1.08 -19.2 / -19.0 4.3 / 6.2
I have read that the Federal ammo loaded with the 175 ELDX does get really close to that 3000fps mark.
I am in the market for a new rifle and the fierce carbon rogue is what I was set on until I read into them more and have hardly found good reviews. Instead I have been thinking about getting the Bergara ridge carbon wilderness and putting a carbon stock on it. Does anybody have any experience with either that would lean me one way or the other?If anyone has any other suggestions feel free to tell me. Looking for lighter weight, mid to close range in 7 prc. And no I don’t want to build a $4000 custom rifle, would like to stay 2k or below
BTW, didn't mean to hi-jack your thread. If it were me, I would be looking really hard at the Seekins.
Quote from: Lowedog on December 06, 2024, 12:57:32 PMBTW, didn't mean to hi-jack your thread. If it were me, I would be looking really hard at the Seekins. No worries! All is helpful in my decision making. I have had :twocents:the ph2 “in my cart” for about 2 months but I just can’t get myself talked into buying another long barreled vertical grip rifle. A buddy of mine talked me into rifle hunting for elk this year and being that i hung my 270 up for good and I don’t trust a 6.5 on an elk I ended packing around my xbolt lr max in 300rum. Even though I’ve packed that rifle countless miles in the back country it’s clearly not a good one for short range timber hunting which is what led me to looking at a shorter barrel and sporter style stock. Also like I said I don’t own a 7mm and I feel that the 7prc, even if it’s slightly, is superior to the 7 rem. Ammo will be hand loaded unless I end up with a rifle that shoots factory really well.
I have to agree with Seekins also! I have had the new SLAM 7prc on order since Aug. only with a 24" barrel after lots of comparisons.
Not hard to find horror stories with Fierce. I sure wouldn't buy one. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/fierce-firearms-disaster.293232/
Quote from: pickardjw on December 07, 2024, 07:07:03 PMNot hard to find horror stories with Fierce. I sure wouldn't buy one. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/fierce-firearms-disaster.293232/Assuming they're legit horror stories.
Quote from: fowl smacker on December 07, 2024, 07:38:43 PMQuote from: pickardjw on December 07, 2024, 07:07:03 PMNot hard to find horror stories with Fierce. I sure wouldn't buy one. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/fierce-firearms-disaster.293232/Assuming they're legit horror stories.Where there’s smoke there’s fire…and there is a lot of smoke in that thread alone, not to mention dozens of others.
Quote from: pickardjw on December 08, 2024, 02:57:41 PMQuote from: fowl smacker on December 07, 2024, 07:38:43 PMQuote from: pickardjw on December 07, 2024, 07:07:03 PMNot hard to find horror stories with Fierce. I sure wouldn't buy one. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/fierce-firearms-disaster.293232/Assuming they're legit horror stories.Where there’s smoke there’s fire…and there is a lot of smoke in that thread alone, not to mention dozens of others.Guess all 3 of us got unicorns then.
Quote from: fowl smacker on December 08, 2024, 09:19:34 PMQuote from: pickardjw on December 08, 2024, 02:57:41 PMQuote from: fowl smacker on December 07, 2024, 07:38:43 PMQuote from: pickardjw on December 07, 2024, 07:07:03 PMNot hard to find horror stories with Fierce. I sure wouldn't buy one. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/fierce-firearms-disaster.293232/Assuming they're legit horror stories.Where there’s smoke there’s fire…and there is a lot of smoke in that thread alone, not to mention dozens of others.Guess all 3 of us got unicorns then. No my buddy has one that shoots really well and functions perfectly. I’m sure they have tightened up their quality control
Quote from: fowl smacker on December 08, 2024, 09:19:34 PMQuote from: pickardjw on December 08, 2024, 02:57:41 PMQuote from: fowl smacker on December 07, 2024, 07:38:43 PMQuote from: pickardjw on December 07, 2024, 07:07:03 PMNot hard to find horror stories with Fierce. I sure wouldn't buy one. https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/fierce-firearms-disaster.293232/Assuming they're legit horror stories.Where there’s smoke there’s fire…and there is a lot of smoke in that thread alone, not to mention dozens of others.Guess all 3 of us got unicorns then. I'm sure they make some nice rifles. Just sharing some info on other people's experiences with the company...poor QC and extremely poor C/S seems to be a popular sentiment. I open the bolt and look down the barrel and the gun had NO rifling...I call Fierce and have a somewhat heated discussion with John Mogle (owner) and at one point he laughs and says get a lawyer and have fun...Not hard to imagine Mogle saying that if you read more about him.